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13 Percent of the population commit 50% of all murders

1 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 13:26
I would like to know how these crimes relate to wealth and/or education.

For example a statistic of people with an annual income of more than 200k.

Or how recurrent racism affects the management of aggression or the willingness for social integration.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43
2 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 13:44
>>1
Seems low to me. Wouldn't be surprised if they committed 2/3 or all murders and robberies.
3 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 16:08
>>1
I think it's deceptive. It actually doesn't show crime committing, it shows arrest and conviction rates, which is very different.

Could very well be attributed to police and court bias, which a recent study found is statistically relevant.
4 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 16:19
>>1
or how recurrent racism affects the management of aggression or the willingness for social integration.

imagine telling the families of all the people murdered by blacks that what they really should be mad about is the racism the poor murderer had to face..

take me now, god. i'm done with this shit.
5 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 16:36
>>3 Citation you lying fag amerimutt
6 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 16:53
Yes it’s real it says it right there on the internet
7 Name: [email protected] 2020-09-13 17:10
>>1
It's deceptive because white people commit more oppression.
8 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 17:27
>>1
basically what you're saying is that you are desperately looking for an excuse to ignore reality so you can continue blaming other people for their behavior.

If you wanna do that though there should be a study on how many black people stay in poverty intentionally so they can collect benefits while still making money dealing drugs.
9 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 17:44
10 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 18:04
>>3
Cope harder, faggot.

Arrest rates are directly tied to the frequency of the commission of crimes when dealing with reactive police response, such as murder, rape, etc.

Your bullshit is only applicable to instances of police-initiated activity such as drug offenses, weapons offenses, etc.
11 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 18:18
>>1
No it's not real, just going to the source reveals the title of table where the data is from:
Arrests by Race and Ethnicity, 2018

This table does say nothing about the number of crimes commited, it says about arrests.
Every single one of these arrests could be found in court to be innocent. Not saying that this is the case, but this data does not make the point the graphic tries to make.

So to summarize, that graphic is simply a fucking lie, this is not what tha data represents, and it bets on people sharing it to be to not check the source at all.
12 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 18:35
>>1
Ultimately those issues are immaterial, are they not? The point isn't "why are black people so prone to criminality" but simply that they are. If you are going to be the victim of a crime it is statistically more likely to be a black man who victimizes you.
13 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 18:52
>>1
thought they already did that study and found it was still disproportionately high in all income brackets. wealthy black dudes just tend to molest and rape
14 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 19:09
>>5
Found it

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Anyway, a possible explanation is that police simply go after blacks more, so that spikes the arrest rate. The open question is this: if police were equal in their enthusiasm for arresting whites as blacks, would racial crime even out? And if so, by how much?
15 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 19:26
>>11
You are an idiot.

See >>10
Arrest rates are directly tied to the frequency of the commission of crimes when dealing with reactive police response, such as murder, rape, etc.
16 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 19:44
>>14
I find it funny that you're ignoring the huge population difference and honestly think that police bias is making up all of that. It's honestly a ridiculous assertion. What you're doing is generating unfalsifiable counter arguments and pretending they are thought provoking so you don't have to let go of the ideology you've been indoctrinated with as a child. I get it. Religious nut jobs do the same exact thing when you point out facts to them.
17 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 20:02
>>1
Them fucking each other half sisters and cousins because no one knows who their dad is could have an effect.
SIDS rate from African Americans alone, combine with abortions, black on black murders over shoes and shit. A lot of stupidity and death.
18 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 20:20
>>4
you hurt my feelings with your suggestion to have a closer look
>>8
based on their situation, the blacks should convince me of the opposite
actually they don't want that and then they only deal with drugs anyway
>>9
I have found a counterexample and we are not even talking about a whole country with millions of people
>>12
do you want to change something or not? at least OP tried to tell us something.
>>13
then post some real source.

and to all: >>3
are we even talking about a reliable link between the statements here?
19 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 20:37
>>14
no. also every time theres a murder theres a lot of paperwork. you cant fudge numbers like this. blacks are more violent and do more crime than whites. why is up for debate but its a fact that its the case.
20 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 20:55
>>16
I didn't say that this is what I personally believe. I'm just presenting some studies, I'm sorry it angers you
21 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 21:12
>>17
inbreeding is strongly related to education. see rednecks.
you just write the starting position as argument again.
this is ...amazing anon.
22 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 21:29
>>1
no, and believing it puts you on an intellectual level with my retarded grandfather. as ever, these figures don't account for contributing factors such as poverty, over-policing of black neighborhoods, etc. If you control for those variables, the numbers look much different.
23 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 21:46
>>15
Yes, you made a statement that is wrong, so what.

This is very easy to prove. Let's look at the conviction rates for violent crimes. If your statment holds true, these should reflect the arrest rate shown in OPs picture.

By going with the: "Table 14: Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018" of the Bureau of justice statistics "Criminal Victimization, 2018" report the total share of blacks offender in violent crimes is 21%
The arrest rate for violent crime is 37%, nearly twice.

So yes, your statement is just full of shit and disproving it was really fucking easy. Do your research idiot
24 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 21:47
Do the police just drive around looking for black people to arrest, or are they called to go to the area where there is a problem?
25 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 22:04
>>22
Please provide proof with the associated "controlled variables." That's an oddly big gap to close just by accounting for some bias
26 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 22:21
>>23
PS: what the fuck is wrong with the people right now, when searching for this table the arrest table by the FBI always was the first result.

This wasn't the case in march or so when I first searched for that data. Seems like this table is currently going through nazi circles which places it very high on googles search index.

I love how this shows you the propaganda apparatus in action
27 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 22:38
>>1
what they don't tell you is that the majority of black crimes are committed against other black people and it's mostly due to gang violence.

Moreover, a lot of those arrests are based on harmless marijuana possession charges. Black men are also 30% more likely to be profiled by officers and therefore more likely to be convicted of a suspected crime. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's fair, but it does leave a-lot of offenders who belong to other ethnic demographics unchecked.
28 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 22:55
>>1
There's a very subtle framing of the debate here in that the word 'commit' masks the fact that those numbers come from arrests and convictions, and if there's a disproportionate number of white people being let off with warnings, it's going to skew the data.
29 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 23:12
>>28
They're not letting whites off with warnings for violent crime

oh you just robbed the pregnant woman at 711 at gunpoint? Have a nice night my fellow caucasian!
30 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 23:29
for anyone who ever wanted to know what cope is, >>18 is the epitome
31 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-13 23:46
>>27
We're not talking about minor infractions like traffic or drugs. We're talking about violent crime.
32 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 00:03
>>21
there is no statistics that show that rednecks inbreed, just hearsay
33 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 00:20
lets take a look at the numbers of white-collar crime.

I wouldnt be surprised if some numbers say 80% or more is committed by white people.

but anon only white people own companies
but anon almost only white people sit on supervisory and management boards

hurr durr I dont care the conditions of the statistics

here is your problem.
34 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 00:37
>>27
30%? Source? Also being 30% more likely doesnt make up for the fact that blacks commit 4x more murder than their population should represent
35 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 00:54
>>1
Technically it's more like 6%, it's not like it's black women murdering and raping...
36 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 01:11
>>22
Over policing, lmao. Yea, thats why they are in those areas, cause they just want to bust some blacks.
37 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 01:28
>>22
sheeeeeeeit nigguh if dem popo aint uh-rest us fo stealin n sheit we be havin the lowest crime stats evuh nigguh!!!!!
38 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 01:45
>>33
The fallacy is that is you're assuming you need to be a manager or own a company to commit white collar crime. White collar crime in the US came from organized crime such as the italian mafia and Irish mobs. You dont see black gangs laundering their earnings.
39 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 02:01
>>35
nigresses do love stealing clothes for they fatherless babies though
40 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 02:18
>>38
your mafia can only commit a white-collar crime if it controls a company, right?
so which fallacy?
that you can be a criminal even before you become a white-collar criminal?
41 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 02:35
>>3
What about hundreds of thousands of murders committed by white people in my imagination every year

Checkmate bigot
42 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 02:53
niggers commit more crime and glorify crime in their culture
as a result, police patrol predominately nigger areas more and apprehend more guilty niggers
niggers think this is unfair so they commit more crime and loop back to square one

why are niggers so fucking retarded? It's not like any other minority group in america has any trouble, especially not actual africans that immigrate legally, so it can't be a race thing.
43 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 03:12
>>1
Not exactly
Its really just black males aged 15-45
The reality is 3%-4% are committing those crimes, not 13%
44 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 03:30
>>14
activist magazine runs story about an activist judge asking Marxist professors why cops disproportionately arrest black people
Marxist professors push mountain of police reports detailing multiple run-ins with repeat violent offenders before finally getting them sentenced to longer than a few months into the closet
racism of course
45 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 03:47
Whites are more likely to commit mass shootings, ill.give you that. But the overwhelming amount of gun violence, especially with illegal weappns.comes from blacks. You're 20 times more likely to be killed by black with a gun then a white
46 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 04:04
>>45
You're much more likely to be killed by a white man if your white and if it's by a gun you are much more likely to have killed yourself.
47 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 04:21
>>3
These aren't arrests made by random street cops.
That argument makes no sense other than petty crimes
48 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 04:38
>>34
>>31
the majority of black crimes are committed against other black people and it's mostly due to gang violence.

If you hate blacks and want to be racist, then be racist. It's fine with me. But stop trying to inject your agenda into the minds of normal people. You aren't smart. We aren't stupid and we can all see what you're doing.

You're trying to make people arrive to the conclusion:
Hmm, there is something intrinsically wrong with the blacks
They're savages who cannot be reformed and should be expelled en masse!

What do you accomplish by posting crime statistics? Nothing. You are simply trying to foster tribalistic attitudes.You aren't doing anything about crime. You don't connect with young people, You don't create jobs. You just mentally masturbate your opinions on the internet.
49 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 04:55
>>48
Hmm, there is something intrinsically wrong with the blacks
They're savages who cannot be reformed and should be expelled en masse!

agree
50 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 05:12
>>1
Nigger athletes earning millions get caught of rape all the fucking time
51 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 05:30
>>48
What do you accomplish by posting crime statistics? Nothing.
Facts and evidence are "nothing"
The absolute state of the world
52 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 05:47
>>46
Also true, but I'm talking about outgoing violence. Adjusting for population, as a white man you're 20x more likely to be killed by a black man than a black man being killed by a white man.

related: if you remove all gun violence by blacks, and even keep the mass shootings committed by whites, us is one of the safest armed countries in the world. Libs would rather you believe guns are the problem and not gang culture
53 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 06:04
>>50
They're innocent, they're owed rapearations
54 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 06:21
>>48
How hard is it to believe we brought the lowest quality blacks(slaves) here to the US. Then we kept them in poverty for years, and now they're culture is barbaric shit. I'm not saying society didnt help make them like this, but their culture is extremely violent and primal compared to most western culture.
55 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 06:38
>>51
Imagine just randomly posting 'facts' about crime statistics.

You must really love facts. You're the fun fact guy aren't you? What other facts do you share with people? You got any facts about cars? You got facts about Mcdonalds? Maybe some music facts?

No you're not. you're a race obsessed loon, who likes to go agenda spreading in his free time.
56 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 06:55
>>23
Niggers refuse to press charges because dat be snitchin dawg
Cops could arrest a guy beating the shit out of somebody, and the victim refuses to press charges, there can never be a conviction.
Then the victim gets a gun and shoots the guy thus adding to the violent crimes committed by blacks
57 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 07:12
>>54
Now that you've made that assesment, what is your next planned course of action? I bet it's nothing at all. You arent going to do anything. you just want to bitch to add more noise to your echo chamber.
58 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 07:29
>>55
You want to talk about cars or meds we've got some stats for that, but you're in the wrong thread.

This isn't the McDonalds Fact Post
59 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 07:45
>>57
Nawh, I try to get to the root of the real problem so maybe we can address it. I believe culture is compounding variable that links to poverty. If we can address this ratchet ass rap culture that glorifies WAP and hustling and drugs, maybe just maybe we can become a better society.
60 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 08:02
>>55
dubs
facts are racist
ur raysist!
61 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 08:19
>>50
>>53
and there are currently no examples for rape by rich white males?
this is now a bad time, isnt it?
62 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 08:20
>>1
I mean, the link to the fucking source is literally written at the bottom of the picture smart guy. Why don't you fucking check for yourself? Considering it's based off of FBI crime stats I'm inclined to believe it's probably true.
but muh socioeconomic factors
Bullshit. Despite Hispanics living in similar oppression and poverty they don't commit even half the amount of crime as the niggers do and poorly educated whites living in poverty still commit less crime than niggers too. Niggers are just subhuman.
/Thread
63 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 08:37
>>35
6%

6% of COVID-19 deaths are exclusively due to COVID-19. You retards don't understand comorbidity and now all parrot the same figure without understanding it.

If someone has mild asthma and it's under control their asthma won't kill them. If they get COVID-19 and it damages their lungs it could kill them. So what killed them? Their asthma COMORBID with COVID-19. You know what else doesn't kill you on its own? AIDS. But I doubt you scientifically illiterate dipshits are going to tell people that AIDS doesn't kill anyone.
64 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 08:54
>>59
If we can address this ratchet ass rap culture that glorifies WAP and hustling and drugs, maybe just maybe we can become a better society.

Well this I can agree with. I just don't like these people who constantly spew out the same rhetoric who's only intention is to push an ideology of hatred. I don't even dislike hatred. I just see it as a worthless waste of time. It's self Indulgent. If you want to fix something, you should do something.
65 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 09:10
>>59
Your argument doesn't hold up. Look at metrics of black wealth and education between 1860 and 1960. It's a steady line up, before flatlining during the Civil Rights Era. Look at the successful black schools, like Dunbar, before integration (integration destroyed Dunbar). Look at how well blacks integrated in cities like Baltimore, and then how that reversed during the Great Migration.

The problem is culture. Northern blacks after the Civil War, and southern blacks educated and inculcated in protestant traditions of hard work by missionaries from the North, did very well. But Southern blacks largely picked up poor white culture. Southern white trash culture and black ghetto culture are both descendants of the same cultural tradition. A cultural tradition with many negative aspects.

Read some Thomas Sowell.
66 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 09:27
>>63
Dude we're not talking about covid

Earth to libtard, take the dick out of your butthurt ears and listen

It's more like 6% of the population because not all of the 13% ate black males. Black males make up approximately 6% of the population as a whole
67 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 09:44
>>48
you managed to type so fucking much and say absolutely fucking nothing in the process. nice tantrum, faggot.
68 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 10:01
>>1
According to 2016 data from the Massachusetts Sentencing Commission, 655 of every 100,000 Black people in Massachusetts are in prison. Meanwhile, the state locks up 82 of its white citizens for every 100,000 who reside in the state. While an eight-to-one racial disparity might seem like a lot for one criminal justice system, nationwide, African Americans are imprisoned at almost six times the rate of white people. So, in 2016, Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Chief Justice Ralph Gants asked Harvard researchers to “take a hard look at how we can better fulfill our promise to provide equal justice for every litigant.”

After gathering the raw numbers from nearly every government agency in the state’s criminal justice system, examining the data, and researching the disparate outcomes, Harvard Law School’s Criminal Justice Policy Program found that Black incarcerees received more severe charges, harsher sentences and less favorable outcomes than their white counterparts. They looked at more than a million cases, from the initial charges through the conviction and sentencing, and discovered disparities that could not be explained by logic or reason.

What they found is the criminal justice system is unequal on every level. Cops in the state are more likely to stop Black drivers. Police are more likely to search or investigate Black residents. Law enforcement agents charge Black suspects with infractions that carry worse penalties. Prosecutors are less likely to offer Black suspects plea bargains or pre-trial intervention. Judges sentence Black defendants to longer terms in prison. And get this: The average white felon in the Massachusetts Department of Corrections has committed a more severe crime than the average Black inmate.
69 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 10:18
>>65
So we agree that the problem is culture.. but if it's old poor southern white culture why are poor blacks disproportionately more likely to commit violent crime then poor blacks? That southern culture has been replaced with modern hip hop culture.
70 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 10:35
>>1
i would like to know how these crimes relate to wealth and/or education.
niggers have the lowest average IQ in the world
71 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 10:53
>>68
The researchers also couldn’t figure out why Black people are always initially charged with more serious crimes than white people. The easiest explanation was that Black suspects commit worse crimes than white people, but the data disproved that assumption. Then, they hypothesized that prosecutors may be overzealous when it came to convicting violent cases but that proved not to be the case. When all was said and done, Black people were arrested more often, had higher bail and received harsher sentences. But when they examined convictions, they discovered that Black people were surprisingly less likely to be convicted than white people. Essentially, according to the researchers, a white person has to commit an egregious offense to wind up behind bars while all a Black person has to do is...well, be a Black person.
72 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 11:11
>>1

It's far worse.

Blacks are 13% of the population, but more than half of them are women, kids and old men. The overwhelming majority of that crime is committed by young black males. So it's more like FIVE PERCENT of the population committed FIFTY PERCENT of the crime.

Just look at he prison demographics.13/50 makes black males seem a lot better than they are.
73 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 11:27
>>1
pretty sure i saw statistic where the lowest income white people have the same crime rate as the highest earning black people
74 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 11:46
When Hispanics are victims of crime, they are aggregate into the data as Hispanic. When Hispanics commit crime, they are aggregated into the data as white to make whites look worse than they are and hispanics better. Hispanics commit more crime than whites but are no where near as bad as blacks.
75 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 12:03
>>74
Based, see george Zimmerman as an example.
76 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 12:20
>>69
The cultures went on slightly different trajectories, but when you control for other factors both black ghetto culture and southern white trash culture are notoriously violent.

Also, compare modern blacks to the Irish immigrants of a century ago. The parallels are remarkable -- both cultures are very violent, and touchy about being offended. Both tend to value occupations that reply on natural talents -- sports and music -- rather than hard work. (Irish were world-class boxers and singers.) Both tend to very politically active, the Irish being the "machine", and blacks being disproportionately represented among city councils or the like today, as well as many activists. That's a strong contrast to successful minority cultures, like the Jews of the mid-20th or the numerous waves of asians from the Chinese to the Vietnamese and Koreans to Indians, which value hard work, education, and rarely get involved in politics.
77 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 12:37
>>76
So again we're agreeing that the culture is violent, but the problem is that the Irish grew out of that.. as they have other values that are productive, religious, family structure, community structure, which blacks do not. So once again, I'm telling you, whether you adjust or not, black culture is still the problem we see today. Compare it to white culture all you want, poor whites dropped that culture, it's time we help poor blacks drop the violent culture and pick up some productive culture like the other minority groups you mention
78 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 12:54
>>74
My mistake, Benjamin Franklin
"Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it…I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties...In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious."
79 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 13:11
>>78
More Franklin fun!
"Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind."
80 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 13:27
>>1
Gets closer but still doesn't bridge the gap
or how recurrent racism affects the management of aggression or the willingness for social integration
Oh no, black people acting foolishly of their own accord, deploy the smokescreen keep the personal responsibility off our Kings at ALL COSTS.
81 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 14:01
African immigrants fair better the same way Indian immigrants do. The most educated and successful are given priority. this filter for immigrants (especially African) can give a false impression that black American behavior and failures are unique.
82 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 14:35
>>76
so what u are saying is blacks and irish got ashitty deal. blacks are still being niggers to this day, irish are niggers to a lesser exetne (still not as dumb as blacks)?

its like the nigs and jigs dont even wanna improve.
83 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 15:08
>>77
I never claimed that. You seem to be carrying over things someone else said that make no sense when compared to what I've been saying.

The biggest problem with black culture today is the tendency to blame it on external factors, like systemic racism. First of all, the claim isn't true. We've removed the systemic barriers. There are certainly cases of individual racism, but there's a strong social pressure against that, so it's relatively light. More than that, you can't blame the success or failure of an entire group on that. Because the Jews who were in the diamond trade and the various asian immigrant success stories were all discriminated against, at least as strongly as blacks are discriminated against today, and succeeded.

For blacks to succeed, two things need to happen. First, we need to be able to talk about the problems with black culture. That's impossible today, because it always leads to irrational accusations of racism and shifting the blame. Second, we need to fix some of the incentives. The damage to black families, the flight from black communities, and the high rates of imprisonment can at least partially be traced to various social programs.
84 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 15:42
>>82
No, I'm saying that the Irish and the blacks are different branches of the same culture. White trash southern culture can be traced to back to fringe cultures in the British Isles, like the poor Scottish or Irish. The problems with both have to be addressed before they'll achieve success in the wider society. This has happened for the Irish, but refusing to address the real problems and blaming external factors has prevented it from happening to black culture.
85 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 16:49
>>83
We're more on the same page than I thought. Those are problems that need to be addressed, but like you said we as a society aren't ready to have such a precarious conversation. Especially blacks who feel they've been victimized by "the system"
86 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 17:57
>>84
Yes, the ability to grow and have accountability was somehow missed in black culture as off the years or racism absolve them of any wrong doing.
87 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 19:04
>>85
Even if all the charges of systemic racism were true, it wouldn't help. Because if it's everyone else's fault, there's nothing you can do to fix except to beg everyone else to change. That takes the agency out of your hands, and places it in the hands of others, which will never fix anything.
88 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 20:27
>>87
That's essentially the stage we're at, media would have you believe the vfc world is so racist that there's no chance of changing it, you cant fight a ghost whether it's real or not. And historically speaking fighting ideologies is extremely difficult
89 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 21:34
>>87
But also, what option does that leave us with? How do we engage the general population in a way where they can see the facts, and not feel threatened enough to actually address the problem?
90 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-14 23:31
>>87
Let's take your first sentence to be true, hypothetically say.
If you and your family were persecuted, even for 3 generations, how quickly would you trust your persecutors?
Granted all white people aren't persecutors, but then again all black people aren't criminals.
91 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 00:21
>>89
Never give up. Wars of ideas are never over As long as the ideas are kept alive, they may resurge at some point in the future. It's worth fighting for ideas that can make the world a better place.
92 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 01:28
>>90
Irrelevant. Black chattel slavery ended in 1865. Japanese Americans were stuck in concentration camps 80 years later, during WW2.

The Japanese seem to be doing fine. The blacks, no so much. Succeeding is its own reward. Holding a grudge forever is a great way to guarantee you'll never succeed.
93 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 02:35
>>92
Irrelevant? You seem to believe bigotry ended with slavery?
94 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 03:42
>>91
It gives me hope finding other like minded individuals. All we can do is spread knowledge and love where possible in hopes of growth.
95 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 05:06
>>94
Seriously, read Thomas Sowell. Most of his works touch on it, but Black Rednecks and White Liberals goes into the greatest depth. He clearly demonstrates the roots of black culture, how it's clearly not racial (by tracing numerous examples of success), but then shows how a toxic culture became dominant.
96 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 06:30
>>92
Due to these restrictions, Japanese immigration to the United States between 1931-1950 only totaled 3,503 which is strikingly low compared to the totals of 46,250 people in 1951–1960, 39,988 in 1961-70, 49,775 in 1971-80, 47,085 in 1981-90, and 67,942 in 1991-2000.

So the japanese, that mostly came here after ww2, did not struggle with the racism, they didn't encounter, because, again, most of them came here after this happend.

I wonder why these people don't struggle with something that didn't effect them.
97 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 07:20
>>93
Go back, and re-read what I said. I did not say that. I pointed out another example of a group that faced more recent bigotry, and did fine.
98 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 08:44
>>83
so tl;dr
nigs can only change if they want to (they dont)

asians, indians, irish, yeah theyall had a shitty start in america. with a little foresight and hardwork they are able to overcome that, the nigger on the otherhand stays slovenly and dumb. historically , almost any ancient civilization places blacks on the bottom rung of society, it isnt a coincidence.

youll never get to address the problem with black culture, the nigs are too entrenched in their foostamp logic that they wont backdown. they have become far too accustomed to the handouts that they have little reason to "get better" never changing , never wondering what more life could be.. just collecting welfare then off to the club. for blacks to succeed lets be real they have to want it, but if you were being handfed a welfare check being told it aint yo fault.. yeah dont expect much.

The damage to black families
blacks do the most damage to black families. or let me guess, white people orchestrated a way to get blacks to destroy their families.

the flight from black communities
nobody wants to live around violent dumb aggressive blacks its common sense

b-but white people made them that way.. right?

and the high rates of imprisonment can at least partially be traced to various social programs.

yeah no shit when u are out niggin and jiggin with da homies raping stealing and murdering, of course youre gonna get arrested.
99 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 10:07
>>96
Then how about Koreans? Or the Vietnamese? They faced serious discrimination as relatively recent immigrants, but succeeded. Or the Jews, in the mid-20th century? Or if youw want a black example, how about the Igo in Nigeria? You're trying to pin the blame on external factors, instead of recognizing the only route to success is internal factors.
100 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 11:31
>>99
Then how about Koreans? Or the Vietnamese?
How many of them where legally excluded from owning property?

If they didn't your argument is invalid because you are comparing two completely different things.

Or if youw want a black example, how about the Igo in Nigeria?
Do you really think that comparing the U.S. an industrial nation with nigeria, a country which was until 80 years ago literally owned by another nation?

You're trying to pin the blame on external factors, instead of recognizing the only route to success is internal factors.

I don't claim anything, all I do is to show you that your "stats" are completely invalid.
Honestly, I don't care, I just think it's funny how bad you guys are with stats. None of these things pass the first most superficial test. I mean comparing Nigeria with the U.S... At least compare nations of the same development level. For example you could compare egypt with chile or something like that
101 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 12:55
>>1
No.
Obviously, the only real crime stats we have are for convictions, not commission.
About 40% of all murders remain unsolved, but in most cases that result in conviction, a black person is convicted.

Part of this is due to over-policing of minorities, jury and court bias, etc.
And part of it probably because blacks commit more crime per capita, but we'll never know how much.
102 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 13:30
>>101
lets say your police force has 11 cops

so ifyou have 100 niggers commiting crimes in city a... versus 10 niggers commiting crimes in city b...

do you see why youd mayve police the super niggery city A a liiiiitle more than city b?

am i reaching anyone out there?
103 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 14:20
>>100
How many of them where legally excluded from owning property?
Are you talking about redlining or NIMBY exclusions from certain neighborhoods? Basically the same as blacks.

Do you really think that comparing the U.S. an industrial nation with nigeria, a country which was until 80 years ago literally owned by another nation?
Why not? We're talking about success by minority groups. Even more curiously, how about just looking at Nigerian immigrants to the US? They're literally one of the successful immigrant groups of all time.

I don't claim anything, all I do is to show you that your "stats" are completely invalid.
I haven't presented stats, I've presented arguments, cases, and history. You seem very confused.

Honestly, I don't care, I just think it's funny how bad you guys are with stats. None of these things pass the first most superficial test. I mean comparing Nigeria with the U.S... At least compare nations of the same development level. For example you could compare egypt with chile or something like that
Again, why? We're talking about successful minority groups, not whatever dumb racism you're trying to promote.
104 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 15:10
>>100
Even if the comparisons aren't perfect its worth looking at, you can compare apples to oranges. However a more fitting example would be more similar situations. Many people use these stats to justify their hate rather than try to understand and address the problem. Whether you believe that data is wrong or right, that's the data and we need to address and discuss it rather than dismiss it entirely.
105 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 15:44
>>102
am i reaching anyone out there?
Not as long as you begin with the premise that you know who's comitiing which crimes vs who's being over-policed.

You're putting the cart before the horse.
106 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 16:51
>>105
i think youd like to believe taht and thats part of the problem, refusal to acnkowledge the problem.

you can sit here all day and say who started it the blacks or the police but please think about this logically for a second

these areas are heavily policed because of the crimes being commited. youll probably just say white people did it.
107 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 17:41
>>103
https://i.imgur.com/8ViMi8M.png
Are you talking about redlining or NIMBY exclusions from certain neighborhoods? Basically the same as blacks.
Look at the graph I posted, as you can see the number of asians was practically non existant in the 60s when redlining ended. Meanwhile the number of blacks stayed constant over that timespan.
Meaning the asians that are so successful came here after redlining and where therefore not effected by it.

Jeez, can you bring up one example that isn't demostrably flawed at the first glance?

Why not? We're talking about success by minority groups.
Yes we are talking about economic success in completely different economic systems. Nigeria is not industrialized, the U.S. is.
The two economies are so fucking different that any comparison completely falls flat, because, guess what, economic sucess completely depends on the economy in question.

I haven't presented stats
Your argument rely on stats. Sure you haven't shown them but only implied them (like the success of asian americans), but that doesn't mean I can't critizise the stats you implicetly base your argument on.

Again, why? We're talking about successful minority groups
Again because if the economic framework isn't comparable, the economic sucess isn't comparable. It's like comparing the leaderboard rank between someone in starcraft and in guitar hero. These are two different settings with different sets of rules that require different skills to succeed.
108 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 18:32
Black people are given so many handouts and yet they're oppressed? You are such a fucking waste of space.
Black people oppress themselves. Look at all the celebrities and professional athletes. If black people were oppressed, then how come they make up the majority of the NFL or NBA? Why is there BET? Why is Martin Luther King a holiday? Why do we have Black History month? Why do so many states have a street called "Martin Luther King Blvd"? Why are there "blacks only" colleges and scholarships? How come black people have gotten so much God damned support from everyone in America AND across the world? Black Lives Matters movement has so many supporters, and the dems are so quick to point out the amount of white people in protests when people bring up "violent protests"; but, then sing loudly about how everyone is racist against blacks at all other points.
109 Name: Anonymous 2020-09-15 19:40
>>3
You see the same ratio of population to personal crimes like this in every nation that collects stats on it.

Police don't just drive around catching black folks with their trumpo-racism glasses on while ignoring white/hispanic/asian crime - these crimes are reported, and police respond to dispatch.

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