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Convince me to become a left winger, /newpol/

14 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 21:24
>>12
It's because they don't see the shit their bosses and landlords have to deal with on a daily basis
15 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 21:41
>>14
That's NOT NOT NOT from their position as owners, retard.

An owner should be compensated for time they spend unclogging a toilet or managing workers or making decisions about the direction a business takes. THAT IS LABOR. But I promise you they're taking more than that out of the backs of their employees. In fact, the degree to which they're comfortable is directly proportional to how much they abuse labor, probably their own employee's labor.
16 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 21:58
>>4
You seem to be confusing authoritarian with right wing there.
17 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 22:15
>>15
owners lending their property deserve to be paid. Landlords are entirely moral.
18 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 22:31
>>9
That's Liberalism
Can't imagine being this retarded. It's like just googling the term "liberalism" is too hard
19 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 22:48
>>15
>>14
Basically, imagine a landlord who is also a superintendent. That guy might be a good labor-class member.

Compare him to a slumlord who hires a superintendent laborer and puts his feet up on his desk, does NOTHING, and makes money off his property. That's the bad guy.

And actually the dual/super/owner is a badguy too, just not as much. But all the incentives are for him to do less good superintending and more owning. The pull of free markets is to be shitty, not to spend your efforts on labor (which is actually good for society) like changing busted lightbulbs, painting over lead, and unclogging toilets.
20 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 23:05
>>17
Landlords are entirely moral
Sure, you may feel this way. I disagree. You have the power of all of media on your side to convince people to vote for economic systems that agree with you. I admit you have won. I stated in my first post of this thread that there are no leftists remaining.

But your system is immoral in my view, and also doomed to fail in the long run.
21 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 23:22
>>19
fuck off commie
22 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 23:39
>>18
NO U

Google it yourself retard. I mean, it's just a semantic argument.

I'm calling liberalism all the capitalists who wouldn't know Marx from their elbow.
I'm calling leftism actual leftist economic thought, which is virtually never even understood let alone considered in today's Western ideaspace.
23 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-12 23:56
>>20
I don't "feel this way", don't try to paint me as someone who "feels" a way rather than arrived at a conclusion via deductive reasoning. And the media is worthless, nobody pays them any mind these days. Property is fundamental to actual liberalism, and I prefer human value and merit over group ownership and slavery.
24 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 00:13
>>23
I don't "feel this way"
Yes you do
arrived at a conclusion via deductive reasoning
Okay, but you still feel that way. And others look at the world, which is very subjective and hard to understand with a million different variables and contradictions, and arrive at different conclusions.

There isn't an absolute truth, especially with societies. There are winners and losers in any economic system.

So yeah, you do "feel that way". Don't be such a retard.
25 Name: Sargon of Akkad 2019-02-13 00:30
26 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 00:48
Obvious propaganda is obvious
27 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 01:05
>>1
politics are used to distract the masses into fighting eachother so the people who made you mad at the other ideology can keep leeching of off both sides just as long as they convince them to keep fighting
good job retards you are all being cuckes by the same hand
28 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 01:19
>>15
You can call me retard all you want, people like you need to be unironically thrown out of a helicopter imo. The levels of entitlement are just astounding, there's no getting through that idiot skull of your with reason. Try to see owners as human beings for once
29 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 01:39
>>23
If you were to analyse any of your sentences using formal logic you would see how very far you are from sound deductive reasoning. You're all over the place, making great leaps to suit your framework. The worst part is that it's invisible to you so you since this is just how your brain works. Try and make a string of arguments without using analogies. They should only be used to underline a point.
30 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 01:40
>>19
I'm going to finance a duplex within the next year, live in half, and rent the other half out for enough to make the mortgage payment and make a couple hundred bucks each month. I'm a maintenance guy currently so i will do the maintenance myself. Tell me about how I'm a bad person for taking the initiative and putting in more work than you.
31 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 01:57
It's subjective over objective, because if you have a society of millions of people, there are going to be some that thrive in an economic system and others who do not. And the very definition of thriving is subjective. If you freeze to death in America, maybe communist Russia which provides heat to all citizens for free would be a better system for you. Or if you're a billionaire business tycoon, sure America is better. Now add up all those people who win or lose in a system. Now decide which ones deserve to win or lose. That is not objective truth. That is a value judgement. You FEEL that the people who win in a capitalist system deserve to win. You FEEL, you fucking moron. Other people might think differently. Not only that, but the fact that you FEEL what your culture tells you to feel indicates that you probably don't actually think very much. It's possible you do, but you did take the path of least resistance on your political views here.

My work is done here
You're work's not done until ALL the dicks are sucked you fucking faggot.
32 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 02:14
>>30
Thanks for assuming I'm not bad myself. I am a landlord. All of what I said is still true. You can't be socialist in a capitalist system, you fucking retard. We all play this game, and I'm not stupid enough to starve for my beliefs. But I recognize that what I do is immoral. The fact that you do something does not mean it is definitionally good. We all hurt people in capitalism. It's the core part of the system. We take, others give.
33 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 02:31
If you need convincing on either side you're a fucking moron and no one wants you.
34 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 02:48
>>30
Tell me about how I'm a bad person for taking the initiative and putting in more work than you.
putting in more work than you.
more work

Did you even read my shit about labor? Work is the only thing of value. Putting in more work is a moral act.

Whatever percent of your prosperity comes from owning the place though, well yeah, that's immoral.
35 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 03:05
>>34
work is the only thing of value

Imagine being this retarded. what a fucking idiot
36 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 03:22
>>3
But he actually interviews people and gives public speeches you daft cunt.
37 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 03:39
>>8
I work in IT and I am a director. I have a large amount of staff. no one is on my skill level in terms of truly understanding the large company I work for. I set the standards and "direct" projects to my staff to work. You call that wage theft?

you don't have 3 captains for a ship. You don't put multiple highly skilled people in a group. You put 1, and support him with other not as skilled people and that is most productive.

To say its wage theft, means you should quit your job and go find better pay. If its truly bad no one will work for that person.
38 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 03:55
You're already stupid enough to be considering it. You'd match their intelligence
39 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 04:12
>>37
don't, just don't. This guy is a retard, you'll accomplish nothing by arguing. You'd be better off doing literally anything else
40 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 04:29
>>4
dubs of deception. fuck you nigger, left-faggots are destroying what real man have built.
41 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 04:46
>>1
I'm with him

I make thousands a month because old trades dudes don't know how to drag and drop a website or arrange a social media ad campaign so I drive them calls with a system that takes 3 minutes to set up that then goes on autopilot. I have no education.

When they quote the jobs they increase the price by 5% which can amount yo thousands for even a single job, and give that to me.

And you actually still believe "hard work" makes money. I laugh my now fat ass off every time one of you says "hurr McDonald's is easy they don't deserve money". It's at least 90,000 x harder than what I do.
42 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 05:03
>>41
Hard work generates resources and products, but those too intellectually lazy to manage their produced goods themselves with find their labor benefits someone else. I find no issue with this. Self employment is preferable, losers can work for someone else. This is fine.
43 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 05:20
>>42
I agree but the losers need to survive or this whole thing falls down.
Low wages is a threat to my way of life.
44 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 05:37
>>2
You know what's funny? When being called an intellectual started being an insult so people started going to youtube to understand finance and law. NOICE
45 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 05:54
>>1
If you have to be convinced, I'd just as soon kill you as look at you.
I'm a real, revolutionary type left winger. The kind that marched against the Vietnam War and hung out with the Black Panters and the Weathermen.
We blew up the goddamn Bank of America.
Go fuck yourself, you and the pussy SJWs both.
46 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 06:11
>>1
The left has better economic and social policies in just about every area, policies which by poll the majority of the country supports. You just need to affiliate with populist left as opposed to corporate left.
47 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 06:28
Firstly some facts.

1. A large percentage of any country’s population are just plain too dumb to generate success.

2. People are greedy. It is in our nature to want to show off shiny trinkets to raise our social status and attract potential mates.

3. Risk = Potential reward. No risk = No reward.

This is the three fundemental reasons leftist political economy will never ever work.

I would gladly like to hear any kind of counterargument.
48 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 06:45
>>46
Where? Can you give examples?

California went from best to worst state in 30 years. All blue. Places like Illnois has such high taxes and insane gun crime down town. Name a heavy blue city that isnt riddled with crime and high govt support usage?

Business move to Red states which create great jobs.
49 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 07:02
>>1
Are you a billionaire? If you're not, then being left wing is literally the only thing that makes any sense.
50 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 07:19
You do know that Sargon considers himself to be center left?
51 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 07:36
>>47
I'm no leftist, but I'll give it a try. Your first point is rather elitist and doesn't take into consideration that success is subjective. I don't think that any individual is smart enough to make good decisions for the collective on his own, and a well functioning system will have mechanisms to prevent it fram failing due to individual cogs not working correctly. Such a system generates success by making more of the cogs to fall in line.

A leftist is all about changing the system in order to change human nature. They may lie and obfuscate to hide the fact that ultimately this means eugenics, but there's no other way to achieve socialism and many are aware of this and will say so if pressed.

There's lots of risky behaviours that yield no reward (skydiving for example). A society doesn't have to reward risk taking to be prosperous. Arguably it would work better if it rewarded being kind and considerate to the people around you.

My main objection to leftism wouldn't be on a factual but a moral level. You'd be surprised what leftism is capable of if you have enough resources to burn through.
52 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 07:53
>>51
Also, I wouldn't object to them on a factual level because they don't care, it's all red herrings. They will say what they need to to get to utopia (including denying utopia) because that's the "greater good"
53 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 08:10
>>1
Simple. Right now, you're voting with the rich because you actually think they're going to let you into your club one day. They won't.
54 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 09:35
>>53
2019
still having this frame of mind
55 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 13:44
Do you believe the government should be in control of how much cock you suck? Do you think everyone should get the same amount of cock? You work out, eat right, shave your asshole why? So you can get more cock. You do these things to attract cock on your own merit. You are a piece of ass and you are drowning in cock. But some people weren’t born with your good genes and pretty face and some people can’t be bothered to go to the gym and eat right. Don’t they deserve cock too? In fact shouldn’t you share some of the cock you get with them. There you’re a Democrat faggot enjoy.
56 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 16:35
>>1
There's more of us and we will kill you if it comes to a war. Think Soviet Union vs Nazis or Communist vs Nationalist China.
57 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 17:56
>>1
Everyone is nicer to each other, and you get better sex
58 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-13 21:33
Only reason you should rep the left is if you need wellfare to survive. Any other leftist is a dumbass who thinks they're gonna save the world.
59 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-14 06:43
>>55
The government should regulate exactly how much cock each of us can suck, which is precisely 0 cock for everybody since all sexuality that isn't for the express purpose of reproduction is sinful.
60 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-14 10:04
>>56
Back then sheer numbers were enough. How many soyboys does it take to take down a marine? Go hit the gym, faggots
61 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-14 18:58
>>57
nicer
See Covington, it's all niceness until they smell (caucasian) blood
better sex
Fewer people get any. See incels. Also faggots
62 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-15 06:06
>>58
Welfare is a trap
63 Name: Anonymous 2019-02-15 22:49
>>62
STOP! YOU'VE VIOLATED THE LAW! PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE, YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFEIT.

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