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Why as a people are we so polarized?

54 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 07:56
What reply were you expecting? What you said is nonsense. Here's my response:

Wahahaahahhahahaha holy cow my fucking MIND is just FUCKED right now on weed God damn it!! You've got to get a hold of a teensy weensy bit of that weedle-dee-deed, boombadoop xD!

Or really, my response could be anything to that.
55 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 08:29
>>52
I said right wingers believe that, not that only right wingers believe that.
56 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 08:46
>>49
Antifa treats different opinions with violence. When you can "punch a Nazi" but anyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi that means you're free to beat up anyone who disagrees with you. Watch "person wears a MAGA hat in LA or NY" videos or tumblrinas doxxing people's mom's houses for disagreeing with them and tell me they're not violent. Liberal tolerance in action. Not to mention the left wants to take away the guns you would need to defend yourself from the authoritarian government they want to install.
57 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 09:20
>>53
So why don't you fund them?
58 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 09:53
>>56
doxing nazis
punching nazis
killing 11 innocent people
Not the same
59 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 10:27
>>58
Not doxxing and punching Nazis. Doxxing and punching people they disagree with. If they disagree with you they'll call you a Nazi even if you aren't really one.
60 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 11:01
>>55
okay besides exclusivity, you implied right wingers necessarily hold the same view which is, especially because right wing is even more general than conservative
also, i'm not a right winger, but this kind of low-effort thinking you're doing is part of the reason people are so polarized
are you that arrogant you think your shitty little analysis is accurate? you are part of the problem.
61 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 11:35
>>49
Did you see that video where a male feminist was so woke he kicked a woman for being pro-life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SqtIe5rZQ
62 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 12:09
>>59
I can't talk about left wing violence without shifting to the hypothetical
There's a reason for this.
>>60
I'm saying that's what happens when people raid, anon. Why not just call me low energy and say maga and libtard a few times? That's what happens when people raid and you can pretend to be as angry as you want to pretend to be, you know it's true.
63 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 12:26
>>61
But muh six gorillion leftists, anon. Marxists dindu nuffin.
64 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 12:43
>>62
It's not hypothetical. I'm speaking from experience. While we're on the topic of Nazism, it killed 11 million and communism, a leftist ideology, killed 100 million. Both are bad, obviously but one killed more people than the other.
65 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 13:01
>>64
Oh my God he's deep in the memes.
>>1
You see what I mean? No way can any raids happen with these people around. They might just kill whoever it is we're trying to raid
66 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 13:18
>>1
nazies
hates individualism
the whole idea of nazism is indivualistic progress affects slowly the whole society
hates free speech
nibba just no
hates free markets
no, literally most free market there is
okay kiddo, go back to school and learn history again
67 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 13:35
>>64
But Nazism would have killed just as much had it not been stopped. Also if you really think about it, Nazism is self sustained socialism (only the country is socialist and for the "greater good" of a particular people) and communism is suplosed to be a worldwide revolution. ( the world is socialist and all peoples are working towards the "greater good") this means that both are leftist socialist ideologies. Meaning both antifa and alt rights are in reality pushing a leftist agenda.
68 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 13:52
the wide spread idea that the right or alt right is engaged in violence

how the fuck did antifa, a legit terrorist organization, who literally incites violence against peaceful right protests convince the unwashed masses of this lie?

one of about 5000 links for the brain dead who can't google it themselves. https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/antifa-hispanic-marines-cnn-don-lemon-chris-cuomo/
69 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 14:09
If antifa faggots are so righteous, why do they hide their identity?
70 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 14:26
>>1
as far as I understand there are several factors contributing to this including several cognitive biases and logical fallacies. The most important are:
- Source amnesia. You see or hear a statement like "women are paid 20% less than men for the same amount of work", assign some credibility to the source but forget it.
Also most people feel like they don't have the time to at least try to understand the logic behind this statement and how these statistics are calculated.

- Fundamental Attribution error & basic statistics: many people aren't aware of the math and how easy it is to get statistics wrong (I'm talking about the math discipline).

At the very least we should demand the research to be reproducible if it affects policies.

- Sociology has developed into a pseudo-science, unfortunately and the universities with focus on humanities are becoming more ideological institutions rather than scientific.

This is a real threat for the whole civilization several reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWr39Q9vBgo
71 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 14:43
>>70
This is a crucial point since Feminists and other leftist ideologues are using social constructs to explain the world with skewed and invalid statistics if they provide any.
Gender studies is the major ideological "discipline" that is being pushed in all western countries right now. Fortunately Poland and Hungary are trying to stay strong in this regard.

- Self described victims like to take what the can get (women, minorities). The issue here is that they're not aware of the depth of the ideology that they're ready to adopt just to make seemingly make it better for women or minorities.
I have the feeling that LGBTIQ people don't really care. Trans people have high suicide rates and are mentally ill.
They'd rather everything go down if it meant a better life for them. Here is a good vid on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNt1C72B_4

There are several more points but I have to go now. Reproducible research is definitely the most important point we should strive for
72 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 15:00
>>69
so we can kill them without feeling guilty.
73 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 15:17
>>70
>>71
I'd also recommend reading
"White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism"
and the comments on goodreads.

It gives a good insight to how these people think and how easy it is to put pressure on whites by using guilt
74 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 15:34
>>72
Would be satisfying, but the point still stands if any of them feel brave enough to address it.
75 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 15:51
Feminists replaced jews with white men and hard work with "send me money on Patreon"
Prove me wrong, you literally can't
76 Name: [email protected] 2019-01-05 16:10
77 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 16:27
>>76
you really don't understand what free speech means.
78 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 16:44
>>75
You're right but how do we fix???? It's not enough to state facts that no one wants to believe without an answer to the solution. The fact that no one has a solution is the whole reason no one pays us attention. No one wants a problem without an answer.
79 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 17:00
>>76
Get a grip, ancom faggot.

Trash tier thread, sage.
80 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 17:19
>>76
niger, kike, bull dyke detected.
81 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 17:36
>>76
You don't belong on this board, fuck off back to /cuckfinger/.
82 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 17:53
>>3
You completely missed his point and went on a retarded iq rant. Must be African.
83 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 18:11
>>78
No one wants a problem without an answer.
Nobody wants to do anything as long as they're (relatively) comfortable.
Welcome to the reason why there will never be a Nazi or Communist revolution.
84 Name: [email protected] 2019-01-05 18:30
>>77
in what way?

Regarding the whole "paradox of tolerance" thing, left-libertarians and anarchist and other antifa-affiliated ideologies aren't against "free speech" as in the concept of state/private power being used to curtail an individual's right to say something. They mark out a difference, however, between "free speech" and "protected speech", and think people shouldn't have a guarantee to protected speech if they don't use it for meaningful discussion (go look up On Bullshit for what "meaningful discussion" means. No, it's not just "leftie opinions").

Regarding the "hate speech" thing, identity politics groups usually DO support a form of state/private coercion when it comes to preventing performative speech that has an actively harmful effect on others. For example, saying that black people aren't humans isn't just a sterile opinion one can have in a neutral debate. The very act of placing someone's personhood up for debate is dehumanizing and can lead to real psychological and social harm, and is thus a form of violence.

I am not saying I agree or side with with these viewpoints, merely explaining the basic arguments.

>>79
>>80
>>81
I am sorry if my slightly more nuanced view of the world has literally triggered you. Stop being such thin-skinned faggots :^)
85 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 18:34
>>84
They mark out a difference, however, between "free speech" and "protected speech"
I can't speak for the US, but in the EU this is absolute horse shit. Anyone with a different opinion is targeted regardless of why. Simply having a political sticker to the contrary (like afd) is enough to get your windows broken and car burned out because obviously you're a nazi, no matter the reason why you'd vote for them.
86 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 18:39
>>82
You completely missed my point which addressed that point. Check mate, fucking cuck who never articulated his point in anything but general ''lefty'' fucking ramblings. This is why conservatives rule the world. You are good at 'ideas' but making it happen and keeping it working falls to the right wing.
87 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 18:43
>>83
Well the 20th century had Both, and both were spectacular failures which lead to the dearths of hundres of millions of people. Care to weigh in on those facts?

No? I didn't think so.
88 Name: [email protected] 2019-01-05 18:53
>>85
How is that horse shit? Someone breaking your car window because of a shitty bumper sticker is quite different from the state exercising its power to silence you, that is just you facing the consequences of your speech.

from the top:
"free speech" = institutions do not censor you or actively prosecute you for your speech
"protected speech" = institutions actively shield you from the consequences of your speech.

left-libertarian groups tend to always support the former, but oppose having the latter for what they consider propaganda.
89 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 18:57
>>88
Perhaps you should spend time in Germany.
Broken windows are the start. If they find your name, employer and all the rest, they'll spam your workplace with accusations of nazism, rape etc. because of your affiliation.
Does that sound like simply marking a difference?

>>87
Deaths on all sides, and who is the greatest evil in popular culture?
Wear a swastika one day and a hammer and sickle the next. Measure the reactions you get.
90 Name: RedCream 2019-01-05 19:06
>>84

None of those are valid arguments for curtailing free speech. and even if they were, look at how "hate speech" has been implemented. it's about suppressing opposing political opinions, nothing more. which is exactly the fucking opposite of free speech.
91 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:12
>>85
someone breaking your car window isn't a violent attempt to suppress or curtail someone's liberty? so when a group of guys in white burned a cross on my great grandmother's lawn, that was just her facing the consequences of her speech?

you're a kkk apologist.
92 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:17
>>1
Jews control both sides of the political spectrum, both libtards and conservicucks are the same. They just restrict different freedoms. The party system needs abolished.
93 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:20
>>91
your motivations can always be generalized to whatever's popular and convenient
So if an AfD voter is a Nazi, how is a Muslim not a supporter of ISIS?
Let me see your intricate knowledge of the subjects.
94 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:23
>>1
Because moderate views can't change anything and end up being corrupted by the current hierarchy.
95 Name: [email protected] 2019-01-05 19:31
>>89
If you're talking about Germany, you could use one of the actual anti-nazi speech laws on the books there, because that IS a an actual infringement on free speech rights, and left-libertarians tend to oppose that sort of thing (look up what Chomsky has to say about censoring far-right groups, for example).

It is, again, still different from people responding to the things you have said. You are implying that you should be shielded from the actions of other people as a response to your speech, which is a fair position to take, but left-libertarian groups would say you SHOULDN'T be afforded that protection if your are exercising your speech in an anti-productive manner.

>>90
The first part isn't even an "argument for curtailing free speech", it's a simple summation of what left-libertarian groups actually oppose when they engage in things like deplatforming.

As for the second, identity politics stance, your response is basically a tautology. Those are "invalid arguments" because they simply aren't. The proof? The idea that it's suppressing opposing political opinions. Well no shit, sherlock? The entire point is that certain "political opinions" are actively harmful, and the mere act of holding them is damaging towards other people.

>>91
There's a qualitative difference between opposing someone for being a Nazi and opposing someone for being black. No KKK riot ever burned crosses on a black person's front yard for voicing certain opinions - they burned those crosses as an attack on their very BEING.
The only way to stop radical lefties from suppressing your speech is to stop using that speech to spread reactionary propaganda. The only way to stop far-rightist from suppressing your speech is to stop existing altogether. There's a real difference between the two.
96 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:34
>>89
Wear a swastika one day and a hammer and sickle the next. Measure the reactions you get.
This shows nothing other than how much the jews corrupted and manipulated the sheeple to their agenda. The numbers don't lie. The fact of how the stories were propogated DO influence unequally. Stupid leftie kike.
97 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:40
>>95
you're referencing germany, look what an american has to say about speech
Yeah nah fuck off mate. I said at the start that I was specifically referring to Europe. Here's an article directly related to it, where "left extrmists" are usually not punished: https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/nederland/achtergrond/2018/05/extreemlinkse-acties-blijven-vaak-onbestraft-617772/
Can't understand or be bothered to translate it? This is why you think antifa are justified in their hunt for thought criminals.
98 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 19:55
>>96
Stupid leftie kike.

pointing out how 85%+ jewish bolshevik slaughter machine is fine but wearing a swatiska to measure reactions is now pro-jew lefty talk
kys
99 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 20:00
>>95
bullshit, it's about suppressing opposing political opinions, nothing less. the claim that it's only about suppressing "harmful" opinions is a lie, because the definition of harmful is distorted to associate anyone on the opposing side with the worst extreme possible, while completely ignoring or whitewashing harmful behavior on your own side. just look at how widely "Nazi" is used to today. or hell, that it's used at all. it's a dead ideology.

and there are no harmful opinions. even someone with the most hateful and bigoted ideas isn't hurting anyone, until they take action.
100 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 20:05
>>99
just look at how widely "Nazi" is used to today. or hell, that it's used at all. it's a dead ideology
Are you seriously saying there is not nazi resurgence in the political mainstream?
101 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 20:18
>>100
are you seriously pretending that all the people who call trump supporters Nazis don't have their heads so far up their own asses they can lick their own tonsils?
102 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 20:51
>>100
There is, groups like antifa commonly employ Nazi tactics.
103 Name: Anonymous 2019-01-05 22:16
Socialism is a mental illness.

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