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130 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 17:20
>>1
The best place to watch is at the original source of the story The Daily Mail, you only need to load one script to watch the video, to watch at The Blaze you need to load about 15 scripts to watch the video.
131 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 17:37
132 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 17:54
Science: Male, Female - intersex by mutation
Academia Bullshit: Gender != sex. Gender is a spectrum. We get our cues from feminist academic professors who will organize mass protests and get us kicked out of the university if we don't publicly agree with their nonsense.

You can fuck right off.
133 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 18:13
Surgery isn't considered to change a transgender person's gender. Some trans people don't get surgery at all.

Think of there being multiple levels here.

Level 1 - Chromosomal
Level 2 - Physiological
Level 3 - Hormonal
Level 4 - Neurological and Psychological
Level 5 - Social, Interpersonal, Cultural

...and way more levels than that, probably; like everything you can get more and more nuanced and detailed if you try.

>>132
This really shows your ignorance - practising scientists frequently discuss the difference between sex ad gender.

For instance, here is a scientist who can enlighten you on some of the issues:

https://aeon.co/essays/why-its-so-unhelpful-to-talk-about-the-male-or-female-brain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Willingham

Stop thinking you are some hard-nosed factual bastion of reason. You are simply ignorant of science.
134 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 18:22
>>132
Yes, you keep illustrating you don’t understand science. Let me try linguistics. The word “gender” is not a synonym for the word “sex”
It has nothing to do with feminism, you fucking retard. Do you even know a single thing about feminism?
135 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 18:32
>>133
Sorry. Multistoried bullshit permit denied - 1 level structure allowed.

if you're XY and you have a wonky dick, then you're just a guy with a wonky dick.

If you have a hormonal issue, you're a guy with a hormonal issue

The rest of it is academia backed bullshit.
136 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 18:40
137 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 18:46
>>136
Classic fear mongering. A non issue blow up to make people, afraid, which you evidently are.

https://mic.com/articles/114066/statistics-show-exactly-how-many-times-trans-people-have-attacked-you-in-bathrooms#.X9uvkFOze

There is quite lively debate on exactly how trans people relate to the traditional categories of male and female, it's not some monolithic movement of men-hating lunatics, as you seem to believe:
https://ljmgreen.com/2015/11/01/germaine-greer-is-right-about-trans-women/

Or see:
https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2018/05/more-reflections-on-whether-transgender-women-are-women.html
138 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:02
Hey, if they wanna destroy their life and wipe themselves from the gene pool, be my guest.
You can't argue with the mentally ill.

Hell is forever.
139 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:04
>>136
Lol who are the fucking retards that make this shit?

If a woman was playing with herself in there she'd get thrown out.

If a man is jacking off in the lockers at the gym he gets thrown out

So why wouldn't a man pretending to be a woman?
140 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:10
>>133
Hmm. Is there a man you can point to perhaps? And preferably someone who hasn't spent their lives in feminist politics backed academia?

Again, fuck of with this gender identity political bullshit. If you feel ignored and marginalized because of your beliefs, then it's because nobody is buying into your andrea dworkin inspired bullshit.
141 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:13
The more I learn, the more I realise most things are complicated, and humility is required. It requires the mental skill of accepting that even with years of active engagement with the world you will only manage to erase a fraction of your own ignorance. It's difficult to come to terms with that. But 4ct is full of people who 'solved' the word at 15, and are very angry when this view is challenged.

Good luck to you.
142 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:15
>>139
He was drying off his vagina you insensitive bastard.
143 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:20
>>133
Anyway, transgender people claim level 4 is mismatched to the rest and treatment changes levels 5 and sometimes 3 and sometimes partially 2 to match up with 4.

The reason we consider level 4 important enough to change other things to match it is because your mind is who you are.

The reason we believe the claim is because of the various evidences that the claim is true, such as ratios between different types of neurons, brain responses to pheremones, spot differences and so on. Also, the fact that it doesn't pattern match to a delusion or to BIID or any of the other "obvious" objections that people keep making and think they've solved it, and of course because of actual plausible mechanisms for how it can happen.

Keep in mind, if something can go wrong in biology, it sometimes will. You can predict that some subset of the populace should have this problem: what happens when a gender-specific hormone volley fails during fetal brain development? Well, what do you think happens, when the brain develops under the hormonal conditions of the opposite sex?

There's always going to be more to learn. In the meantime you should really give trans people the benefit of the doubt on this on.
144 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:24
>>140
Feminist politics backed academia? You do realise that you can't just string words together and hope they make sense?

The funding for 'feminism' within academia is small - it is rarely a separate department, more usually just some people in other departments like philosophy. Wherever they are, the researchers are in the humanities, and their funding is minimal compared to science, engineering, medicine, law, etc.
145 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:27
>>140
Did you know that Andrea Dworkin is widely criticized by (liberal) feminists, and has been for a long time.
You don’t actually know any mainstream feminist thought, do you? Just radicals you learned the names of via 4ct.
146 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:31
Feminist academia backed horseshit.

https://phys.org/news/2018-10-real-fake-hoodwinks-journals.html

Hard science today is often only found in the private sector. Anything that doesn't conform with the bodypolitick of the university gets shut down or silenced.
147 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:33
>>145
No, she just came to mind because she was so buttugly. Seriously, she was a cure for a priapism.
148 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 19:42
>>147
Why would you use someone who isn’t considered a mainstream feminist as representative of feminist work?
It’s almost as though you don’t know anything about feminist thought. You probably think Lena Dunham is representative of feminist academia
149 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:14
>>148
Because my background isn't in feminism. I generally could not give a rats ass about them. I consider all of the equally idiotic, especially modern ones.
150 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:19
So in other words, you don't know anything about medicine OR biology.

For fucks sake, at least use fish or something as an example. Are you even trying?
151 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:25
>>146
The funniest thing is that you think there is some kind of nefarious within all of academia that has somehow

Anyway, the hoaxes you point out are, of course, real, but hardly that worrying. If you'd actually read the article, you would know that they occurred in sociology journals, as opposed to scientific journals, and they were only in very niche/minor publications at that.

You are probably unaware that academic journals, like many things, have good and poor examples. it's really not unsurprising that some low quality journals were hoaxed.

Those journals were rightly made fun of by others in the humanities with more robust standards, again showing that it's not the echo chamber you seem to think it is:

https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2018/10/sokal-hoax-redux.html
152 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:42
>>129
Let's say that intersex is a separate gender. Alright, I couldlive with that. However, that still wouldn't declassify gender dysphoria as a mental disease which it is.

If for some reason you've been born intersex then this is a mutation of your genes and most likely renders you sterile and thus applying Charles Darwin's evolution theory right there.

Also, claiming that transgenders are intersex is wrong and it is also harmful to think so. Whilst an intersex person might be transgender. A transgender does not have to be intersex and in both cases it can be classified as an mental illness.

But intersex mostly results in the person having combined features of the 2 genders that there are. Thus, what you're saying is that a harmful gene mutation that results in a handicapped person is a separate gender? I'm sorry, but I'm not having that.
153 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:50
>>149
I have no idea what feminism is, I just know it’s stupid!
I don’t study feminism, either. I’m just intelligent enough to understand what something is if I’m going to argue against it. Funny how you don’t know anything about science or feminism, but can reduce them both to “I don’t trust them”
154 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 20:57
>>152
let’s say intersex is a separate gender
Sex and gender are not the same thing. Intersex is a different biological sex, not a different sociological gender.
that still wouldn’t declassify gender dysphoria as a mental disease which it is
Yes, but gender dysphoria is not the same as being transgender. Gender dysphoria is something trans people experience due to harassment; not every trans person experience dysphoria.

if you’re intersex it likely renders you sterile
Not all the time, intersex usually has one functioning and one non-functioning sex organ.

also, claiming transgenders are intersex is wrong
I never made that claim, I was explaining that not only do more than 2 genders exist, more than 2 sexes exist.

you’re saying handicapped is a different gender
No, gender and sex are not the same thing. The second you separate the concept of gender and sex, you stop making these silly strawman arguments.
155 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:24
>>151
The funniest thing is that you think there is some kind of nefarious within all of academia that has somehow

It's not nefarious. It's the pushing of a political agenda. It's making everyone declare themselves victims to gain political capital. It's causing witchhunts. It causes shit like aziz azari having a bad date and comparing him trying to hook up with a girl to rape. It's the source of legitimization of all this oppression/safespace/victimhood bullshit. it comes from feminist protest culture. And the site i linked earlier https://phys.org/news/2018-10-real-fake-hoodwinks-journals.html outlines precisely how this shit propagates and is reinforced. In short, anything coming out of a university is frankly suspect, because Peer Reviewed doesn't mean what it used to. The trust in academia is gone.
156 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:32
Mainstream science is quite satisfied that gender is not the same thing as sex. So, not only is sex not a binary categorisation (even if many people do fall into one of the two largest categories), gender is a separate thing, somewhat in the mind, but with complex connections to biological sex, societal expectations, history, etc.

The point is that it is complicated, and efforts to (loudly, angrily) insist that it is all actually simple are not only scientifically inaccurate, they risk harming people for no good reason.
157 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:36
>>156
basically we have become so spoiled as a society that we are wasting time and money on literally irrelevant shit
158 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:39
>>155
the only people complaining about being a victim is the right wing, check Twitter.
Your link refers to the dangers of scientific journals that don’t peer review. Universities require peer reviewed literature to grant doctoral degrees
159 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:45
>>158
the only people complaining about being a victim is the right wing, check Twitter.
I think I see the flaw in this argument.
160 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 21:57
>>155
What a ridiculous exaggeration! In what way is 'everyone' being 'made' to declare themselves victims? Your view of the world is hysterical (and not in the funny sense).

"Anything coming out of a university is bullshit" - so, Jordan Peterson then? Or current work on vaccinations? Or work on new methods of agriculture to improve crop yields? Or work on solar physics? Or work on synthesising chemicals at lower costs? Or work on improved battery production? Or work on the economics of developing economies? Or work on deciphering ancient languages? Need I go on?

The hoax work showed academia working *exactly* as it should! Journals with poor standards were exposed, by people using replicable, published, objective standards and methodology. The journals in question suffered reputational damage because of this. And many other parts of academia, including in the humanities, rounded on the journals, took them to take for their failings, and called on them to maintain higher standards or shut down. This is all what you would expect from a well-functioning knowledge-production industry!
161 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:07
>>160
"Anything coming out of a university is suspect" is a paraphrase of what I said. And if it is research that could potentially be influenced by their political science group, absolutely.

They're the ones doing this. You want to thank the people who are shaking the publics faith in academic papers, stroll on into the feminist / gender studies department and ask about their next protest.
162 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:14
If you’re incorrectly using the word “gender” in place of “sex” you’re conflating two separate classifications as the same thing.
Nobody would take you seriously if you were asked how tall you were and you said “140lbs”
Similarly, if you say a cultural phenomenon is a result of genetic mutation, people understand you’re retarded
163 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:24
>>157
Given that people are suffering higher rate of suicide because of this, and are targeted for violence, it hardly seems irrelevant.

If science supported the claim that there were just two sexes, and this was proven to completely determine brain chemistry to the extent that all qualities falling under 'gender' arose naturally from sex, then that would be one thing.

But that's not the case.

So, the ignorance and associated hatred that gives rise to attacks on trans people, to the extent that it is based on ignorance of scientific facts, needs to be countered.

That doesn't seem like wasting time to me!
164 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:29
>>120
so what about the part where we give them special rights and treatments and allow them to dictate what is taught to children?
165 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:40
>>5
I'm currently studying to become a biology teacher and fuckin hell I would never tell kids such bullshit.
166 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:48
>>165
You will or be fired, after the feminist/gender studies brigade pressures your dean/principle/whoeever demanding your curriculum stop being transphobic.
167 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:51
>>162
Again. Not arguing semantics. Modern redefinitions of generally understood wording to fit with relatively recent political and social argumentations not withstanding, if you are hung up on my wording, you are not even addressing the point of my statement, which you seemed to have willfully ignored or missed completely, which is, there is male and female. Anything else is a failed attempt at being one of the two.
168 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 22:56
>>161
It's not a paraphrase. You said:
"In short, anything coming out of a university is frankly suspect"

and

"The trust in academia is gone"

I merely removed the word 'frankly'.

You made wild, hyperbolic claims. It is part of a general tendency to massively inflate certain dangers (trans people in toilets), polarise debate when possible, use derogatory language when you feel threatened, ignore science when it is convenient for you (sex vs. gender), and paint your enemies (academia) as a monolithic group, when I have provided links showing that there is a diversity of opinion within academia.

You talk of a mysterious 'they' that are the 'ones doing this'. Honestly, it is very paranoid. But, I leave that diagnosis up to a professional - because I trust science and academia.
169 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:08
>>167
It’s not a modern redefinition. In early human civilization, Eunuch was a gender. If you took two seconds to actually read about this stuff, instead of being caught up in how right you think you are, you’d at least have a point worth discussing.
170 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:10
>>72
the really sad thing about the trans community is that it is being toxified by all these mentally ill teenagers that will go so far as to undergo hormone treatments and change their entire way of life just for attention. i know a person that has done this. she (now he) admitted to me that she started taking hormones and changed her entire way of life just for attention
171 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:20
>>167
millions of genetic combinations possible for human life
can all be boiled down to 2 types
You’re actually autistic aren’t you?
172 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:28
>>169
It is not man, woman, and eunuch. It is men and women. A eunuch is a man with his nuts cut off, but still a man. That is generally understood. Your attempts to muddy up the water is the only way your arguments hold any.
173 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:47
>>169
And to add to your point, India famously has texts mentioning a 'third sex' as early as 1000BC:

https://www.worldpress.org/Asia/845.cfm

It's only wilful ignorance at this point to think that the world was somehow strolling along happily with two sexes, each one with a standard way of looking and acting, until evil feminists invented new sexes and the concept gender in the 1950s.
174 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-29 23:52
>>168
It wasn't mysterious. "they" indicates the feminist studies/gender studies groups.. Further, "They" are the SJW groups that pressure the university to change their curriculum, fire professors, etc etc who teach anything that doesn't align with the current political environment.

"They" are shaking the faith in the research that comes out of a university because the universities these days capitulate to any demand.

It's not some shadowy action either. These instances are well documented.
175 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-30 00:18
You know, they don't have the option of not having to make the choice. Not doing anything is itself a choice, because then puberty happens all on its own. Having them all not do anything isn't you freeing them of the choice, but you choosing for them.

It's better that each individual be able to make the best possible choice given the information they have, on a case by case basis, with input from the child, parents, and medical professionals, than for politicians to force everyone down one path, ignoring individual differences, making everyone expedient to the system.

There's two kinds of potential errors, here:

- putting kids on blockers when they weren't trans
- not putting trans kids on blockers and letting puberty have its way

Both can cause trauma. Ultimately we want to minimize trauma of both types. Right now, the latter error is far more common. This situation usually means that you can reduce the latter error type incidence by a lot while increasing the former error type incidence by comparatively little.
176 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-30 00:39
>>175
It's fucking child abuse. It's like those stories of lunatic women you would hear about in the early 1900's where their husband would leave them or they died in an accident and they would dress their sons up like women because they wanted a daughter. And then they grew up to be serial killers.

These parents should have their children taken away from them and the doctors should have their licences yanked. This is fucking insane.
177 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-30 00:46
>>172
Not “muddying the waters”. The post I responded to claimed that it’s a “modern reinterpretation” to say gender is not the same as sex. Gender has a history of being used as a classification outside of sex.
Thus, the overarching point of “semantics” is valid. If we’re referring to two different classifications as the same classification, we are on unequal intellectual ground.
But breaking these categorizations apart takes a little bit of knowledge, the kind of knowledge that can be as simple as googling the science behind transgenderism.
178 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-30 00:52
>>174
You just can't help it with the exaggerations and hyperbole, can you?

"who teach anything that doesn't align with the current political environment" - have you been on any university campuses recently? Have you studied in detail how many curricula have been changed via force of the kind you describe?

"universities capitulate to any demand"? This is just factually false. Here is one example:

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/june/princeton-university-takes-a-stand-for-free-speech-on-campus

Many large universities are signing up to the Chicago free speech principles:

https://www.thefire.org/chicago-statement-university-and-faculty-body-support/

You are worried about a fantasy scenario that is not happening, at least not to the degree you seem to imagine. Of course some take it too far. But to describe this as some kind of epic collapse in free speech and academic quality at all universities is just hysteria.

Students have always protested - they are young and want to make the world a better place. Sometimes they are misguided, of course. But these protests go back decades, at least - the soweto uprisings, the US student strike of 1970, the 1968 protests in France and Poland - it's a tale as old as time!
179 Name: Anonymous 2018-12-30 00:55
Really? Because last number I heard mentioned in scientific circles is that there are upwards of 20 that effect gender. Crazy how the world ain’t so black and white, eh?

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