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what's so wrong about blackface.

27 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 06:52
op here -- can one culture make fun of another, is that ok, or should that be frowned upon?
28 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 07:09
Well only whites and Asians ever do it. So blacks feel excluded. But the main reason is minstrel shows. Showing a version of plantation life that's at odds with the accepted version.
29 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 07:25
help me out. what is the accepted version of plantation life, and how does blackface contravene it?
30 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 07:43
It was more of a laughing at kind of thing, not laughing with kind of thing
Not at all. Blackface was pretty well respected as a performance. Even black actors did blackface.
31 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 07:59
black person: white folks have thin lips and pasty skin
white person: black people have big lips and dark skin
black person: WHAT DA FUCK, DAS RACIST
32 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 08:16
I can understand why "blackface" might cause some blacks to be upset. My question is, why then would blacks think it is "just fine" to have black children dress up as white comic book characters or some other white character (Disney princess for instance)? It's the duality that sparks concern between the two.
33 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 08:33
I'm mixed race but I cant really get attracted to black girls because the only ones I knew growing up were related to me so it weirds me out a little, I don't really want to get involved with middle eastern girls but not because of race but because their culture would require their family to kill them if they date a non muslim.
I'd say the only kind of people I really don't like are blonde white girls because one bullied me in highschool.
34 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 08:50
right. it often seems like taking offense is a one-way street.
35 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 09:07
I think as long as you aren't making yourself look like a caricature it shouldnt be a problem, dont use face paint.
36 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 09:24
not meaning to be down on you in any measure, anon, but...

you don't like all blonde white girls because of the act of one person.

that's racist.

i'm racist also, everybody's racist.
37 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 09:41
that's close to what megyn kelly said that got her fired. she just didn't say don't paint the face.
38 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 09:58
Accepted version is that of misery and slavery.
Minstrel version, hard work but also nostalgia for a simpler way of life, community, that plantation life wasn't all that bad. Also quite a bit of mockery.
39 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 10:16
Considering the scope of what "isn't acceptable" today, I think we should disregard most things people claim to be offended by. Very little of it seems like genuinely offensive things, it's mostly white people who have been conditioned to immediately declare certain things racist and offensive without actually thinking about it.
40 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 10:32
Unfortunate history. Blackface has a long past of being used to demean black people, and it’s hard to forget the past.
41 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 10:49
As long as movies like "White Chicks" ,which was created as a mockery, are considered acceptable, there is nothing wrong with blackface.
42 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 11:06
I don't think it's particularly racist because any other hair colored white girl is fine with me, I have no issue with any men of any race at all.
Just to be clear I'm talking about attraction, I wont be hostile to any blonde white girls, but I have trouble with attraction.
43 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 11:23
Other races shouldnt be thought of as costumes I think. More reasonably though it's due to the fact that black face was often used to represent a black person in a way that is extremely racist and so black face particularly is considered to be racist as a result of the association.

Does thay seem reasonable? The connection to racist portrayals of blacks os pretty undeniable.
44 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 11:40
ok. i'm getting that. at least, i understand the logic of it.
45 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 11:57
op here. all anons, i have enjoyed this thread immensely, particularly the civil exchange of ideas.

but my mom's dog is scratching itself to pieces and she is demanding i go to walmart to get some benadryl for it.

i hate to leave, but must. thank you again.
46 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 12:14
I'd say the issue would come down to this mostly, typically, black face was used in a way that was meant to belittle and deride black, so even when it's not used in that way, that's the association most people think of. Of course it's not always that way, but I think it's like the term bigger, it cant be separated from the typically hateful use that will always exist alongside it if we allow it to be a thing at all.
47 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 12:31
Shit, was going to do this for a Halloween party. Would that be wrong?
48 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 12:48
there should be no barriers in costume as long as they arent of the racist caricatures, using face paint, or being disrespectful of a culture, it should be fine.
49 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 13:05
americans are so fucking weird with this. sometimes people dress up as other people. some people's skin is darker than other people's. so you might have to darken your face if you want to look more like them. and?

the historical argument against it is horseshit. how many 100 year old black folks are around who get horrible flashbacks by this because it was used to make fun of their race?

if you think it's "oppressive" if someone does anything vaguely reminiscent of something horrible in the past, just stop using words, don't ever say "excuse me" because i'm sure hitler said it once. the fact that megyn kelly or whatever her name is got fired for -not even defending blackface, but asking a QUESTION about it- tells you everything you need to know about the moral panic that is american culture at this point in history.
50 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 13:22
I'd say the diffrence with white face is that it's clearly a play on the racist way black face has historically been used, there is no history of white face being used in a racist way really.
51 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 13:39
you dont really need the face paint for the costume though, unless it's some kind of alien or monster that is a weird color that is integral to the costume.
52 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 13:56
it offends white people, they dont want to lose one of their own to gang crime, as you’ll become one of them. also cops will shoot you quicker so be careful, dont endanger yourself or your race
53 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 14:13
why would you make a point of that

literally what's the problem with painting your fucking face, women do it every fucking day
54 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 14:13
to be fair I don't like that either, I think it looks pretty ugly.
55 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 14:30
totally with you there, but it is outside the moral realm: people can put on their faces whatever the fuck they want

if someone decides to put on blackface and then proceeds to do some racist shit, it's the racist shit that's the problem, not whatever you do with a bit of makeup
56 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 14:48
Ita more than just the black v white thing. Black face has a historical precedent that is meant to demean black people, turn them into cartoon characters/clowns, and in doing so, it’s a way to exert power over them. It’s like saying “haha look at the monkey dance. Dance for us nigger” and has connotations of white dominance. Black people doing white face doesn’t have the same negative background because there has never been a time where black people have dominance over white people. It’s punching up, while black face is punching down. Not the same thing.
57 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 15:05
Regardless of punching up or down, there are still punches being thrown racially. Do you think that throwing racial punches around is going to lessen racism, or increase it?

Your entire argument is meant to justify racism. You are a racist.
58 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 15:21
The face painting is one of the laziest forms of being rude towards another race, along with an imitated voice.
If the face paint wasnt such a big part of the minstral shows then I'm sure it wouldnt be such a focal point on racist symbolism
59 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 15:39
Be slave
Born on masters plantation
See relatives get bulwhipped as a lesson to me
Can't learn to read or write or they'll kill me
Can play the guitar
Sing songs to pass the time

Big war, slaves are "freed"

Old now
They say you're free but will burn your house down for anything
A show is in town, let's go
It's a minstrel show
Can't go in, it's whites only
Get a job selling peanuts so I can see
It's a white guy in black face paint
Sees me
Pretending to know my momma, acting stupid

It's white people pretending to be black and stupid. It's in grained in American culture. State of Florida state song is a minstrel song,_meeny,_miny,_moe catch a nigger by it's toe

Remember the ice cream truck song? The real name of it is "nigger nigger love a watermelon"

Amerikkka has always been racist as fuck
60 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 15:56
Are all of you niggers happy go lucky, dancing fools, chasing after some big booty, lazy and stealing with a smile on your face? Or does that stereotype maybe seem inappropriate.
61 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 16:13
to think that i would go on /newpol/ to be free of this intersectional nonsense, and then this guy shows up

dude, racism is racism, being a dick is being a dick, no matter what the "historical background" is, especially with something that hasn't been part of mainstream american culture for 70+ years
62 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 16:30
Yeah black face is fun. You paint your face with charcoal and draw on some big red nigger lips and have fun.
63 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 16:48
Well respected by white people that didn’t mind the dehumanization of black folks. I’m sure black actors and performers were making money from it but I doubt they were proud
64 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 17:05
Your one of those people who claim blacks can't be racist aren't you? If you make the assertion that whites wearing black face is racist because its worn for derogatory reasons (which it often wasn't, in vaudeville it was quite often used as a way to mock white & black interactions) than a black wearing white face would be wearing it for derogatory reasons as well. I would make an exception for mimes and clowns (if that is the actual reason for the white face) since that is the traditional make-up.
65 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 19:37
i get that, but it's such a narrow view of the issue. as megyn kelly said, what about wanting to look like diana ross because you idolise her? simply to assume that anyone who darkens their skin is putting on a shitty anti-black act is prejudice in pristine form
66 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 20:29
Well don't be such a moron next time.

And don't blame it on there being nothing to do, you were in control, you did it.
67 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 20:41
It shouldn’t be an issue in a perfect world but especially in 2018, if we can make choices that don’t give racists boners, shouldn’t that be the obviously better decision? 2018 doesn’t strike me as a time of progress. Neo nazis are in vogue again, the president called himself a nationalist during a swell of white nationalist movements. It’s actually a particularly bad time to instigate racial tensions for the sake of a Halloween costume. Unless you want to be considered an asshole, I mean, if that’s your goal, that’s probably a good way to do it.
68 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 20:44
i agree with most of what you said. there's rationality, and then there's a time and place for acting on it. i think it's through rationality that we find out what warrants contempt and what doesn't. we're just having a conversation here.
69 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 20:48
Being so rational, you should be able to see that the people upset about being told not to use black face don’t really want to honor Whitney Houston or whatever. It’s clearly part of the culture war, the idea that the political right claims that says there is no such thing as racism, that black folks are making it up or they deserve the vitriol. Even if an individual doesn’t mean to cause harm by using blackface, they are just by continuing the tradition of those that have more malicious intentions.
70 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 20:52
i am not an american. i'm not on the right either. to claim that racism against black people is made up deserves all the ridicule it gets. but it seems to me that conversation is actually the antidote to the polarisation you're talking about. from a neutral perspective, i find little to go nuts about in people's make-up choices.

this idea of unconsciously perpetuating a racist machinery, that's bogus to me. if something doesn't make sense prima facie, it doesn't suddenly become wise because "racism exists". a proposition can be true or false regardless of what bad actors do to exploit it. but this is a longer conversation i'm not in the mood to have right now.
71 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 21:04
Stupid manufacturerd convercy. NBC Universal wants to fire Megan Kelly because she was critical of the way management handled the sexual harassment clames.
72 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 21:21
No one makes fun of white people at their expense, and if it happens it's found upon by blacks two wrongs don't make a right.
73 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-28 21:27
You are completely fucking retarded if you think their are any repercussions to making jokes at white people’s expense

Nobody cares if it’s done though
74 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-29 07:18
I tell you what's wrong with blackface, it's because I can do it anymore.
75 Name: Anonymous 2018-10-30 07:08
I'm blacking my face tomorrow for Halloween and nothing the niggers can do to stop me.
76 Name: Anonymous 2018-11-01 21:18
Can't this fucking insanity end yet? I'm so fucking tired of people being shitty back and forth for these idiotic, fantastical reasons.

Everybody just shut the fuck up about this shit already. Get it the fuck out of your systems and leave it there.

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