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The great wall of U.S.A.

1 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:01
There are people who think this is wrong.

https://i.imgur.com/rhH8YfW.jpg
2 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:05
Don't think it's wrong, just pretty pointless and wasteful.
3 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:18
You keep saying you can't afford basic things, so there's no way you can afford a wall. Nobody even crosses at the border, they use planes.
4 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:27
Its really just a waste of money. Most illegal immigrants are here abusing work visas. Or they just fly here and never leave.
5 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:39
>>3
This fucking meme.

What is tax inflation on imported goods.
6 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:50
>>1
I don't just think it's wrong, I think it's plain retarded. Immigrants don't run across the fucking border, they come to the US legally and simply don't leave.

Shit like this didn't even work in Berlin, and that wall was far, far better guarded than this monument for stupidity.
7 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 21:53
>>1
yea i voted trump and support him fully, but even i know the wall is kind of pointless. i would've gone for something more unpleasant for those who crossed over, but he did get the rates lowered almost completely. if anything id just have more border guards and if they ever ran into and illegal just take all of their shit and tell them to walk back. eventually they'll die
8 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:07
Where do we build this monstrosity?

On our side, displacing home owners along the border, giving land and water to Mexico?

On the Mexican side, annexing land from them, breaking international law as we essentially declare war on Mexico?
9 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:28
>>5
It's not free money, obviously. Like I said, you have basic things that should be higher priority. If immigration is all you care about you could even put the money into your immigration services, because they are third world tier right now.
10 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:30
>>8
A good portion of the border is the Rio Grande River. Do we build the wall on our side and give the river to Mexico?
11 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:32
>>7
protip - you don't support him fully unless you support all the things.
12 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:45
Its pointless because people will still cross and wasteful because money could be used somewhere else and its a huge environmental problem to put a big fucking wall across a fucking continent
13 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 22:55
>>7
There are FIFTEEN THOUSAND ICE agents. Literally thousands of people guard the border already. It's not fucking enough.

Wall now.
14 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:05
>>11
Trump is not the reason for a wall.
a secure border started with the secure fence act of 2006.
proposals for a concrete wall on the border go back to when representative steve king spoke on his wall design to congress in 2007.
Trump may not get full credit when the wall is built because ted cruz is funding it with the el chapo act
15 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:16
It's not wrong. It's a waste of tax-payer money.

Mexico will never pay for the wall and even when Trump had a meeting with the president of Mexico, he didn't have the balls to bring it up
Immigration is at a near all time low according to the border patrol
Only a fraction of illegal immigrants are coming in through the border, most are coming in and staying via expired visas
There's no logical plan to pay for the wall because Trump's now finally realizing that Mexico won't pay for it and he has no idea what a trade tariff is
No one has any concrete or solid design for the wall yet, only concepts

Illegal immigration is a problem but it's not nearly as bad as Donald Jones wants you to think it is. He needs to remove his Breitbart and Infowars bookmarks and get a fucking grip on reality.
16 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:22
Berlin Wall was probably the most effective wall ever built. Very few made it through.
17 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:32
>>15
Hey Shareblue, they're still paying you? Why can't you get over it? Hillary fucking lost. Get over it already holy fuck.
18 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:44
>>17
and because hillary lost, we need to shut up and do nothing when the president is acting like a fucking nigger?
19 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:48
>>16
well it separated two of the world's largest nuclear superpowers capable of ending the earth within a matter of hours; not the burgers from the beaners
20 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-11 23:55
>>17
Don't you morons have a containment board?

Honestly, I cannot fathom any marketing company paying people to post on 4ct. What a stupid waste of money. Most threads get around 20-50 unique posters.

Also, if there's people paying to shitpost here, where the fuck do I sign up? I'm already spending way too much time here for free as is.
21 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:00
>>20
What a stupid waste of money
Yeah, rich people have a concept of wasting money... /s
22 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:05
be mexican
take a visa
stay in usa

Useless. Less than 5% of illegal cross the border
23 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:09
>>22
Trump doesn't give a shit about illegals. He has his intelligent supporters fooled.

He only wants the wall so he can point to it and say that he built it. It's all an ego thing. He just wants to put his name on yet another failure.
24 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:17
Just set up pillboxes every half mile and let rednecks blow ammo at illegals as they try and run up.

Everyone wins
25 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:20
Historically no wall has ever done any substantial good. They all fail eventual while producing ill will in people's eyes.
26 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:30
>>1
Oh shut the fuck up you armchair philosophers!
We should build it to m,ake it easier to screen the cunts at the airports...where they will never return because we'll merely grind them up as fertilizer for the farms.
27 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:37
>>1

I'm actually curious to see how this is going to play out. To be honest the US really isn't that good of a country to live in, especially if you're paying taxes. A low-income immigrant will soon get screwed over by every major corporation out to steal the last dime to his name.
28 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 00:54
As a mexican, I don't think it's wrong at all.
If I ever want to cross the border on, let's say, vacation or to visit family, I can always do the necessary paperwork a couple of months before the date I want to be there.
It saddens me tho, the fact that such a thing has to be built in order to stop criminal scum and fags who want a better life "the easy way"
29 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:01
>>2
Yes, better we lay a minefield and declare an exclusion zone. Add a dozen of roving patrols with orders of shoot to kill and the illegal crossings will slow to a trickle.

Now we just need some common fucking sense to implement these obvious measures.
30 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:04
>>1
We are the only country in the entire world without a border. Its actually fucking retarded.
31 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:13
>>6
We better track down people who overstay their visas and deport them ASAP.

Local and state cops could help out a great deal with this - I'm sure they'll cooperate in places like California and New York.
32 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:19
>>1
Of course there are people who think its wrong.

They're called Mexicans and white genocide supporters (liberals).
33 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:31
The Great Wall of China helped with keeping Mongolians out. Mongolians kind of sounds like Mexicans. So it should work.
34 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:35
>>1
It's a viable project and after completion you only need to do maintenance and minor repair jobs. It will pay itself back in the long run too, so from the economic standpoint I see no problem.
35 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 01:53
>>1
pretty good way to build a wall if you ask me
fully qualified structural engineeer here.
36 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:03
>>34
To validate my point, it will most definitely be cheaper to guard a wall than hunt every border-jumper from inside the country.
37 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:15
>>1
I love it, too bad this one is just an artists rendering. Legitimately how it would be and will be done.
38 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:22
>>2
Well I don't know if I would call it pointless, we would have to actually try it and see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9cvGGvXoAAb-1w.jpg

What annoys me the most is the usual talking points of "it MIGHT be this" or "it COULD do that". Things like this you don't fucking know what will happen, as for it being wasteful I have this handy little graph here with a rough estimate of our annual expenditure.

The wall is $20B max out of the 3.6 trillion we spend annually and will take more than one year to finish. In addition to creating jobs and most of that money going back into our own economy through purchasing American made materials and labor, I don't see what's wasteful about it.

If somebody can explain specifically why I'm all ears, otherwise this pretty much sinks the "it's too much money" argument. It is actually pretty cheap.
39 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:33
>>38
There's no way it'll only cost 20B. That's a low estimate. It'll more likely cost somewhere around 25B, and that's just for the building of it. Upkeep, maintenance, and personnel will add additional billions.

Then there's the matter of the land. It can't be built on the actual border, since the Rio Grande forms most of it. Mexico won't give the US land to build it, so the US will have to take land from US landowners through eminent domain; a process that will cost billions and take years.

Then there's the ecological impact. A wall would disrupt thousands of species migration routes, and so would be contested by every animal activist agency in the US.

Then there's the fact that only a small fraction actually come over the border fence. The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens come in on legitimate visas and just overstay. The wall does absolutely nothing to stop 95% of aliens.

Finally, there's the wall effectiveness. If you build a twenty foot wall, illegal immigrants will just use twenty one foot ladders. There's no way to make it high enough to actually keep anyone out.
40 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:39
>>39
This is the most intelligent post I've seen on /newpol/ in a long time.

Props, anon.
41 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:44
>>40
Which is why it will be one of the most ignored posts on /newpol/.

IME, the more intelligent the post the more it is either trolled or ignored.
42 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 02:54
>>39
The worst part is trump already knows all this, only his stupid supporters don't. The wall was never intended to be a solution to anything, just a rallying point to get people hyped up.
43 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:04
>>39
You're using the maximum estimate of $25B when the minimum estimate was $8-12B. Realistically we don't know what it will cost. As for the Rio Grand and other large geographic areas I'm sure it's already been thought of that we would use those areas as a natural border which actually proves the point that if we were to do that not only would the ecology stay in tact, but we would not require a wall built in that area cutting down on funding.

As for the US property I don't know how it will be close to the larger cities but I would be hard pressed to believe most of the land on the border isn't BLM land, I want to see which areas specifically you're talking about, because most of it is desert and not privately owned.

With regards to 95% of illegals coming over from boat or plane I would like to see your statistics on that one. This is a solution for our Mexico border, which while I agree it might not be the best solution, it's better than sitting idly by with our thumbs up our ass just saying "come on in, we have sanctuary cities where you can freely break our laws and our citizens are stupid enough to defend you for it".

Most of your arguments are easily refuted by these facts, do you think that these people are capable of carrying 21 foot ladders through the fucking desert when they can't even buy the proper supplies to get here in the first place? You whine about what COULD happen and are content to just sit by while this happens not offering any solutions but just poking holes at other ideas.

People like you are in fact the reason why the wall is being built. Everybody is too concerned with what we CAN'T do, and it's led to Trump getting in office because everybody is sick of sitting on our ass.
44 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:26
>>40
>>41
Most of the arguments are the exact same arguments you always see presented here which when examined with literally any critical thinking skills are logically inconsistent. You only think so because that post confirms your biases. Obviously there are problems with the wall but realistically when you get down to it what did that post solve? What was the point?

The irony is most of you didn't acknowledge my original post but then claim "le this post will be ignored cause i think its smrt xdddd". None of you probably even bothered to look at the graph. Assuming the wall is the estimate that anon claimed at $25B which by the way is the maximum possible estimate (He blatantly cherry picks) but $25B doesn't even scratch our annual expenditure and that's assuming it will all be spent and over in one year.
45 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:33
>>43
>>44
Furthermore on top of all this I spent literally 10 seconds on google to find that 8-12 million illegal immigrants are estimated to live in the united states (http://www.cairco.org/issues/how-many-illegal-aliens-reside-united-states)

This anon has claimed that 95% of the illegal immigrants do not come from the US-Mexico border which is patently false. (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/02/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/) "There were 11.7 million immigrants from Mexico living in the U.S. in 2014, and about half of them were in the country illegally, according to Pew Research Center estimates. Mexico is the country’s largest source of immigrants, making up 28% of all U.S. immigrants."

This anon is blatantly lying to your faces and you fall flat on your face for the sophistry. Now go on, ignore these facts like you claim his will be ignored. What a joke
46 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:41
>>38
In addition to creating jobs and most of that money going back into our own economy through purchasing American made materials and labor

Are you aware that most companies trying to invest on the wall are foreign?
Lafarge Holcim is one of the major bidders for the project, specifically the Holcim Apasco branch, guess where that branch is based? Mexico, meaning that billions of dollars of taxpayers money are coming down to Mexico if your government goes with that.

I'm not mad at the fact that you guys want the continent divided, I'm sad that President Trump is taking you all out for a ride in stupid mountain.

http://eleconomista.com.mx/industria-global/2017/03/02/lafargeholcim-espera-ganar-mas-muro-trump
47 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:47
>>46
How about a link to something in English, or would being able to read what it's saying undermine your argument? What do you mean by companies TRYING to invest in the wall are foreign? Invest in what metric, funding? The company you're speaking of has multiple branches internationally and is based in Switzerland. On top of this they only manufacture the concrete used to build the wall.

Did they actually get the bid? Because I get the feeling that you're talking about something that MAY happen but hasn't actually happened yet. Not only this but you're assuming that anybody gives a shit who's bidding on the project, we're buying concrete from them, it isn't as if they're building the wall itself.

So you've effectively given us information on concrete some company WANTS to sell to us that's based in Mexico. Explain to me why I'm supposed to care if we buy something from a Mexico based Swiss manufacturer, this means nothing.
48 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 03:55
>>45
This anon has claimed that 95% of the illegal immigrants do not come from the US-Mexico border which is patently false.

That was never the claim. The claim was that most don't come over the border, but overstay visas.
49 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 04:33
>>48
>>39
"The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens come in on legitimate visas and just overstay. The wall does absolutely nothing to stop 95% of aliens."

My mistake, now if you could actually refute the other numerous points I just made that'd be swell.
50 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 04:47
>>7
but he did get the rates lowered almost completely.
???
Is he taking credit for Obama's accomplishments again?
Obama deported more illegals than any president in history (and NO they didn't just change the definition).
And ICE is still working under the Obama budget.
AND the stopgap budget bill was nothing like Trump's proposed budget.
So aside form deporting a bunch of registered illegals when they showed up for voluntary check-ins, what has Trump done?
51 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 05:00
>>48
>>49
Oh I forgot but I'm sure you already read it from my posts. 28% estimated illegals come from the US-Mexico border in which case while the majority do simply overstay their welcome, that's nearly a third of all illegal immigrants coming from one area. In addition to this I would rather fix illegal immigrant issues from poverty stricken countries where it's obvious they will be bringing significant increases in crime first, and fix the other illegal immigration problems second.

The claim was that a wall would not stop 95% of illegals. I want you to explain why, just saying "well they'll just find some way to get around the wall" (IE the stupid overused le 21 foot ladder meme) is not an argument, you can apply this reasoning to any situation.

Why bother to hunt down a rapist? After all, some people can just blindfold their victim and get away with it. Most of the time they use condoms I assume, why even bother doing anything about it?
52 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 05:09
>>50
Obama deported more illegals than any president in history

And if Trump lasts two terms he will likely deport more than Obama. Doesn't this prove the point for the wall though? I mean if our most recent president has deported more illegals in the entire history of the US and he was also one of the most left leaning, that seems to indicate a serious problem with illegals to me.

But don't let that fly in the face of your shitposting narrative, by all means continue
53 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 05:23
>>30
We are the only country in the entire world without a border.
Google "eu freedom of movement".
...and oh yeah, most of the world's borders are far less guarded than the US/Mexican border.
54 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 23:54
There are people who think this is wrong.

Those are the people who are brain damaged. They've obviously never heard of the old saying: "Great fences make for great neighbors."
55 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-12 23:56
>>53
Google "eu freedom of movement"

We already are aware of the scam that is the Schengen Agreement, it needs to be dismantled like the EU itself.
56 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 02:15
>>55
I cannot wait to laugh so hard at the EU salty screeches when brixit takes the entire EU down to there knees.
57 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 05:05
Stupid idea...Mexicans have been digging tunnels for years.
58 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 05:13
Force illegal immigrants to get citizenship so they have to pay taxes. The ones not willing to stay in this country will leave on their own.
59 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 05:17
jailing the CEO's who knowingly hire illegals

they wouldn't come here if there wasn't an incentive.
60 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 07:10
>>56
I was hoping that Le Pen got elected, but unfortunately Macron got in. It seems like only the UK will be free of EU, for now (the Brits think of themselves as different from those on the continent anyway). It's gonna collapse sooner or later, it's unsustainable at this point.
61 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 07:58
>>60
Still hope for the Sweden's Democrats.
62 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 18:36
63 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-13 22:13
>>62
It's pictures like this that tell me unequivocally the Axis powers should have won the war.
64 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-14 01:24
Have they started work on the wall yet?
65 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-14 10:48
>>64
Still trying to find some land without Mexican rabbit holes.
66 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-14 22:44
Just your daily reminder that President Bill Clinton WAS impeached. It doesn't mean you're automatically removed from office. In fact, you don't even know what "impeachment" means.
67 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 22:29
It is a waste of time, money, and resources. It's not meant to solve anything, only line the pockets of people who already have far more than you ever will.

Law enforcement is and always will be the option you're looking for to solve the illegal immigrant crisis. If your laws were simply enforced, expanded... illegals would run from this country and never return.

Set ICE free. Fine/imprison employers who employ illegals. Fine/garnish landlords who house illegals.

That alone would solve your immigrant problem, and cost considerably less.

The wall is a SHAM. They're robbing us blind.
68 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 22:59
Nobody likes Donald Trump, he is a repugnant human being with a repulsive personality. Some may envy him for his wealth, or have some form of fear or respect for him because of it, but no one LIKES this man. He is an altogether unlikeable man with strong antisocial tendencies, and if he wasn't born rich he'd probably have gotten himself killed because of it.
69 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:02
cuck line: anyone who posts below this line has been cucked by >>68

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70 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:04
>>69
>>68 here. What if I post below this line?
71 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:18
>>68
I fucking love this man and so do everyone who elected him and he has already done more than the last three presidents in three months and your tears are delicious.

Also hes gonna fire a shit ton of people from the white house in the coming few days, remember u heard it from me first.
72 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:22
>>71
damage control unit activated
hurrtr durrytr dis poofs nithin!!!!
73 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:28
>>71
Do you remember the election day? How many people were there?

My source's say that Rump is least favorite president ever.

How many scandals has he created? War against press... Sucking Russia's dick...
74 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-15 23:47
>>1
I'd be fine with it if it were actually going to work. Massive waste of money, though. For stopping drugs and weapons, it's completely useless. They are transported via planes, boats, tunnels, and even fuckin' submarines. When all else fails, they have literally used catapults to hurl drugs and weapons over the border barriers that already exist. It's a pipe dream to think that this will somehow keep out drugs or weapons.

As for people? Also no great efficacy. The vast majority of illegal immigrants come in on Visas and overstay their welcome. Actual "border hoppers" are largely smuggled in via cartel routes. A wall is nothing but a minor inconvenience. Something to bring a ladder for, build a tunnel under, or bypass entirely by setting up a new immigration route -- all of which are quite simple for the cartels that dominate the people smuggling market in Mexico.

Furthermore, assuming Trump somehow follows through on his promises to "make Mexico pay for it," it will only exacerbate the very issues the wall is supposed to be presenting. Collapsing Mexico's economy will hugely increase the demand for drugs, weapons, prostitution, and trafficking -- empowering the cartel and further entwining it within the Mexican government.

Additionally, the economic damages to our country are enormous. Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. So, again, collapsing their economy only hurts us.

Cool beans for you if you want to keep illegals out, but at least be realistic about it. This barrier is a huge waste of money that will have little impact whatsoever on the problems it is supposed to be addressing, and in all likelihood will actually only make them worse and damage our economy.
75 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 00:11
I'd rather spend that 20 billion on training/supplying more border agents.

At least these guys will pay taxes, spend that money on local businesses and provide a service.

This wall will have to be removed in 20-50 years and cost 10x as much as it cost to build it.
76 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 01:53
>>75
20 billion? You sweet naive fool. This is a government project, its by nature over budget and behind schedule. My guess is 40 billion at least and it won't get started until the end of Trump's second term.
77 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 02:13
Why did hillary's little email scandal just miraculously disappear?
78 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 02:17
>>77
Because Trump won the election.

Aka, they never gave a fuck about the emails, just that the public thought that they were a big deal.
79 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 03:09
>>77
Hillary and Obama may as well be dead. Bringing them up as an excuse for whatever Trump is doing is retarded. The man is fucking appointing his family members to important positions in the government. He is constantly doing shit that weakens whatever alliances we have with western democracies that have largely kept the world at peace for the past 80 years. And the worst part is that he seems to not really care about anything, I don't think anyone republican or democrat can sincerely claim that Trump has any interest in learning anything about sound policy on any foreign or domestic front. I just don't see how he could accomplish anything remotely good.
80 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 04:52
>>76
You're probably right.

Point still stands though why the fuck is this a good idea? A wall?

Hire/train more agents, spend that 20-40 billion on drones to monitor the border, buy more junk you don't really need on the tax payers dime because at least somebody is getting paid.

A fucking wall though.
81 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 05:20
>>75
Thing is, illegals pay taxes. Not just taxes on stuff that they buy every day, but they pay into the tax system with every paycheck.

See, they use a fake SS# to get hired. And that end of the system, where taxes get paid to the federal government, isn't monitored all that closely. Why should they disqualify people for paying into the system?

The other end, when refunds are issues, the SS#s are intensely monitored because that's the part where the government is paying out money.

So, basically, illegals pay into the system with fake SS#s and then never claim their returns, so the government gets to keep all that tax money, even if they'd have gotten a huge refund if they were a valid citizen.

So, you can see why the government isn't very keen on immigration reform.
82 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 05:30
A ten foot wall needs a 12 foot ladder.
It's pointless and stupid.

I'd sooner they spend the money on helping our veterans from the stupid fucking wars where they get dismembered.

But nah, let's build a wall, while these fucking companies keep hiring the illegals because the fucking gringos are too lazy to fucking work.

Why do they come here?
Because they are being given jobs that whites won't do. Eliminate the source of the jobs and the wall will be unnecessary.

What a pointless gesture. Well I take that back, I'm sure the gesture is to line the pockets of the contractors who get the job.
Fucking bastards will probably use migrant labor to build it.
83 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 05:39
>>82
I would love to agree with you expect for the fact that we do spend a fuck ton of money on veteran benefits.

But nah, let's build a wall, while these fucking companies keep hiring the illegals because the fucking gringos are too lazy to fucking work.

Despite unemployment being an issue, you have to be naive to not see your own context clues as to why they hire illegals. It has absolutely nothing to do with people not wanting to do the work itself. It has everything to do with the pay. Nobody wants to accept way below minimum wage because in our country it is illegal. Maybe you wouldn't know because based on your vernacular you sound awfully a lot like a Mexican.
84 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 05:50
>>83
Couple of states did a thing where they made hiring illegals a big crime. Georgia and Mississippi, I think. Anyways, when that happened, the illegals stopped showing up to do the work.

And citizens refused to do the work. So, whole crops sat out there in the field and rotted. They literally couldn't get people to do it, no matter how much money they offered.

Georgia eventually made their prisoners get out there and do it. Which is a lot closer to slave labor than illegals doing it.
85 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 06:10
>>84
They literally couldn't get people to do it, no matter how much money they offered.

I'm assuming they weren't paying very well. People will do anything for decent pay or even crappy pay like people in the military.
86 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 06:33
I invite everyone here who thinks walls wont stop immigrants to attempt to phase through one right now. didn't work out to well did it? Success!

Not all illegals can afford other methods of crossing and cross by foot. Wall will stop that. Plus its impossible to make accurate statistics measuring the effectiveness of something that does not yet exist. At this point its just speculation.

The wall will work, and it will be glorious.
87 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-16 07:03
>>84
I like in California so things are a bit different. Jobs are hard to come by in cities surrounding LA.(that aren't the chinese ones) Plus, it is California so the competitiveness will vary depending on the state.
88 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-17 06:46
It's an unrealistic pipedream.

Mexicans will find a way. The actual amount of manpower and resources required to stop every motivated spic from getting past the border is ridiculous.

A wall is going to lower the amount but you're not going to stop them completely, it just means the most motivated get through.

For the Mexicans that would probably be the drug mules. So you're going to loose your gardeners but keep your cocaine.
89 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-18 13:38
it's just pointless and a waste of money, besides being an idiotic idea overall in the first place. it also only focuses on illegal Mexican immigrants, what about illegal immigrants from other parts of the world? those who come by plane or boat? in no world does that wall make sense or benefit anyone.
90 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-19 20:30
It is regrettable that the leftists still want to take advantage of others and maintain human exploitation as a part of the status quo.

The border wall will not stop every criminal, this is true, but even if it saves a few thousand lives a year from rape and murder, it is very much worth it.
91 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-21 03:22
>>1
The "wall" would have marginal impact while expending excessive resources. A more reasonable response would be to assign more resources to capture, intern, penalize and then deport individuals that are in the country illegally.

You know, the same thing that would happen to most of us if we tried to live in another country without a valid visa.
92 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 04:40
>>91
the problem is keeping them out, even after deportation. We have too much border to keep staffed, so we need walls in addition to surveillance tech and live people to keep to make a lasting difference in the human trafficking and illegal immigration.

We also need to stop rewarding illegal immigrants with welfare. It is only adding to the problem.
93 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 07:53
Lets just see what actually enforcing immigration law does before we build the border wall.

And while we're at it lets call it what it is. A multi-billion dollar GOVERNMENT HANDOUT from the president to his friends in the construction industry.
94 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 08:25
>>93
like the great wall of China. Just a government handout, not a great human accomplishment.
95 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 08:37
>>92
I'm not convinced we can stop them on such a long border and recently the argument is being made that most are here on overstayed visas anyhow.

That's why I think we'd do better by treating them like criminals instead of economic refugees. If they thought that they might get imprisoned by living here illegally and would never feel safe then FAR fewer would make the trip.

This includes stopping all programs that cater to illegals like identity cards, drivers licenses, sanctuary cities....
96 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 08:45
>>95
Yes, lets overpopulate our already crowded prisons with people who probably live better behind bars.

There's no easy solution. Go ahead and build some dumbass wall, spend the billions to maintain it constantly. See how well it works.

Lock every illegal up, spends millions upon millions in housing, food, healthcare, provide the funds to staff already understaffed institutions.
97 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 08:53
>>95
Yes, the wall cannot do it alone.

The ones that over-stay visas do need to be found and deported. Welfare and other benefits need to be held back.

And any college, university, or other school that declares itself a sanctuary for illegal immigrants should lose not only tax paid funding, but their accreditation as a school.

Let's see how fast those pampered children start standing up to illegal immigration when they find out that their degrees are going to become worthless.
98 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 09:12
And just think of all the civil forfeiture (theft) of all the land needed to build that wall.
99 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 09:37
>>96
The fucking stupidest thought of these retards is that they think that somehow if they are rounding them all up and putting them in prisons and paying for their flights out of the country that we will some how spend less money.
100 Name: Anonymous 2017-05-22 09:57
Old people are the largest detriment to our economics next to the Military Industrial Complex. Then comes Welfare, which is only being exploited at 12%ish. And that's not just beaners, that's also white trash and negroes. Removal costs a fuckload of money. You need to hire ICE agents out the wazoo, you also need to detain them in our already over crowded prisons at the cost of the tax payer and you also must pay for their flight out of the country.

Meanwhile if you don't displace them they continue to pay local taxes, the only taxes they avoid are federal and those are robbery anyways.

I know being racist is the trendy thing to do but economically it's retarded.

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