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The Last of Us Part II Thread.

1 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 05:09
After reflecting upon it, i've come to the following conclusion:

released during a pandemic
released during pride month
released in a time where the importance of pronouns is being discussed

This game could have had much more potential if it was released in a different time and under different circumstances.
2 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 05:39
? If anything Corona and the story leak had an impact on its sales. The potential was lost when they forced people to play as a character that no one cared about. Are you okay in the head?
3 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 06:46
>>1
Thank goodness you've shared your priceless insight with the world. I'll get to work spreading your truth far and wide. In the meantime, you can go ahead and stfu because nobody cares.
4 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 07:20
well it's a piece of shit now so what difference does speculating make?
5 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 08:10
>>3
Amen.
6 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 09:34
>>2
Sorry you feel that way. I wonder if you've actually played the game or just watched videos/read leaks. I thought Abby and Levs dual story was far and away one of the strongest pieces of the game.
7 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 10:40
>>6
i watched people shit on it on twitch and it was a pretty enjoyable experience

the shitting, i mean. not the game. the game is mostly just rehashed elements of old naugthy dog games.
the worst part about it for me was the corny enemies shouting out random names "oh no they got jerry!" and the combat loop rewarding the player for bashing in dog skulls with lead pipes

fuck that game, the entire story is pretentious as hell too.
8 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 13:27
>>2
fpbp
/thread
9 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 14:51
>>1
The game could have had more potential if the story didn't meander about for 25 hours. The gender shit and politics don't really play into the mix as much as people complain about, the real tragedy is how characters will say literally the bare minimum to each other to keep the story going in heated situations. The two main characters have so little actual interaction with each other it was almost laughable when the second we see something finally happen between them were pulled out of it for 8 hours of what it ostensibly dlc that, again, has nothing to do with the other main character
10 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 15:41
>>7
Word. I actually appreciate the level headed response. I think the story is decent, but the gameplays hardcore. I remain of the mind that you're experiencing a game in a very limited way if you watch any game as a twitch movie. I would have hated the game that way too. I'll be the first to admit that Abbys character model is shockingly bad. I think they could have avoided 60% of the flak by improving that.
11 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 17:05
>>10
i'll consider picking it up as a cheap playstation classics release or buying a used copy for $10 eventually. I can appreciate the amount of effort that went into the graphics if nothing else.
12 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-13 21:36
Is this game anyone, I mean really not trolling.
13 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-14 05:01
>>1
Where to start?

The first problem was Druckmann not having the broad strokes of the entire serial down first. If we MUST do a Firefly revenge plot for Part 2? Marlene is the perfect candidate for it as she was introduced/foreshadowed had she not been killed off. Since she was killed off? And they want to do the revenge plot? Well that means they had to write in a character and that meant Abby.

The second problem was fucking up Abby's introduction. The primary reason why we like Joel as a character is because we got to know him throughout the entire first game. Moreover our first impression of Joel is of him having quality time with Sarah, his daughter. It wasn't him brutally murdering someone in cold blood. Not only that, but the event in question that "justifies" Joel's murder was Joel fighting off an entire army of Fireflies solo. The odds are so stacked against him and he's trying so hard that it's difficult not to root for him even if one thinks his actions here are wrong.
Abby, on the other hand, seemingly betrays Joel completely out of the blue, after being saved by Joel I might add, and in that betrayal Abby has Joel's leg shotgunned and he is at her complete mercy. There is nothing here that gives Abby underdog status. She's not struggling to do this.
The framing here is that of a villain and that's fine. Or rather it would've been fine if they continued to treat her like a villain. They didn't. Instead they treat her like a second protagonist. Want her as a protagonist? Her introduction has to be more like Joel's where we get to know her, understand her, so that when she does do it we get it.

Joel's death is dumb. He has no reason to give his name then considering his trust issues that magically went away when the script demanded it. Worse, both Ellie and Abby both have each other at the other's mercy multiple times throughout the game and they never kill each other because the script arbitrarily demands it.
14 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-14 11:19
>>13
Some of you dumb dumbs don't understand storytelling.

What was the original movie about? Not a zombie apocalypse, not spores, not humans being evil - it was about fatherhood.

It was about a guy who lost his fatherhood slowly regaining it and coming to love a surrogate daughter on this journey. Then, they purposely give you the "zoo animal moment" as a final bonding right before they flip the tables.

Then, Joel, terrified of losing his fatherhood once again, murders someone and dooms humanity to protect his new daughter. It's a horrific, selfish and monstrous act - all done out of love.

So, why Abby? Because Abby is a daughter who lost her father because of Joel. She lost her daughterhood, and to show the ramification of actions (even done out of love) she murders the man that murdered her father.

We are not MEANT to like Abby - especially not at first. She's supposed to be like The Terminator when we first meet her - cold killing machine.

Then, we find out that she used to be a clueless nerd with a loving and nurturing father who literally spent the next several years of her life becoming an unstoppable killing machine driven entirely out of rage and revenge. But, there is still humanity and the capacity to forgive, and understand people who are different there, hence her adoption (and becoming a surrogate sister/mother) to the scar child.

You can still hate the game, that's your right. However, nobody is ever going to convince me that the story wasn't great, and a sometimes ugly exploration of humanity and our need to either be, or find father/mother figures - no matter how much their past sins have sent us into loops of revenge.
15 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-15 01:12
>>14
Also, before you haphazardly accuse me of hating Ellie because I didn't mention her - she's dealing with the same shit throughout.

At the beginning of this game, she too, loses her father (and daughterhood) and gets chucked into the same loop as Abby.

This game is meant to be a tragedy about potentially good people falling into the trap of revenge both out of fear of losing loved ones, or out of rage over that loss. It's not meant to be pleasant, and you are supposed to feel unease, discomfort and conflicting feelings.

It's good storytelling. Call it a bad game all you want, but the story itself was great.
16 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-15 12:19
>>14
So, why Abby? Because Abby is a daughter who lost her father because of Joel. She lost her daughterhood, and to show the ramification of actions (even done out of love) she murders the man that murdered her father.
Right, except Abby is a man
17 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-16 02:13
>>15
good storytelling? no bro, it's was shit "oh look, we forced you to kill the dog you're petting right now, feel bad!" most of the game use the same logic as that moment, it's shit
18 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-16 10:33
That subplot with the little chinese ftm trans kid

Nope, checking out here. Just when you think the writing can't get more forced they shove another log down your throat.
19 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-16 18:53
>>17
Or, you can look past the surface, and it's saying "This dog may have been scary and a threat to you, but it was also someone's pet, and somebody loved this thing."

Kinda works into the theme of forgiveness, and empathy with "the other side" doesn't it?

But by all means, Abby is flat-chested, and has muscles, so the game is an abomination.
20 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 00:27
>>19
It's more like "here is your dog, now I'm going to fuck it", hence what they did to the game. They fucked it.
21 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 06:00
>>19
oh yeah empathy, like you forgive your worst enemy but don't give a shit about killing hundreds of people who did nothing to you in the first place.
and if you want something in the theme of forgiveness and empathy, maybe it's something the character should see and feel, not just "hey look player, you killed the random dog she pet that one time"
also the fucking main character do stuff that don't match that they make her to be in the first place all the time, the people that hate the game the most are the fan of the first one
22 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 11:34
>>21
A: Why do you need something as simple as "This dog meant something to someone" spelled out for you? There is a rule of visual storytelling: "Show, don't tell." It's better to visually show your message than waste time having a character blather on about the morality of dog killing. THAT is the literal definition of bad storytelling, but it seems that some people need even the simplest of things spelled out for them.

B: Congrats! You got another little morality nugget from the game - and it didn't even need to be spelled out for you! The only difference is you think it was a mistake when in reality, it was intentional.
You are SUPPOSED to start wondering about the ramifications and implications of killing hundreds of other people along your journey. Each one of them has a story, maybe a family - each one of those deaths could result in the same story of revenge - a giant spiral. Get it? Again, just because a game doesn't hit you over the head with a sledgehammer about a theme doesn't mean it's not built into the story.

C: I am a HUGE fan of the first game - it was my favorite gaming experience of my entire life - mostly because I love games that build a complex emotional story into the killing and shooting and sneaking around.

And maybe for someone complaining about bad storytelling, you should take a look at the grammar you are using, because I can't make any sense out of the mush you just typed here: "...also the fucking main character do stuff that don't match that they make her to be in the first place all the time" just.....what?!
23 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 17:07
>>22
Why do you need something as simple as "This dog meant something to someone" spelled out for you?
you're absolutely retarded, that moment would meant anything if ellie saw it but she didn't so it doesn't help the "redemption" she supposed to get, it just some random ass moment to try to use the emotion of the player
24 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 17:41
>>1
They ruined it, it not the way you think:
I was super eager to see Abby, a huge trap to do shit in the game. But it turns out that Abby is a reverse trap, i.e. an actual woman, who looks like a trap.

I haven't been this disappointed since nyanyancosplay.
25 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 18:14
>>23
Did you play the rest of the game? Ellie is not "redeemed" at the end. She caves and lets revenge consume her and gives up an amazing family and peaceful life she could have had.

Then, at the very end when she FINALLY understands what it means to forgive, she makes it home and her farmhouse is abandoned, and she's probably lost her partner and child.

You may not like it personally as an ending for a character you like. However, far too many people equate not liking what happens to a character as "this game sucks, it doesn't do what I want!!!!"
26 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 18:48
>>24
an actual woman, who looks like a trap.
Can you retards stop saying this? It's a fucking trap
27 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 19:22
>>14
look like they successed in what they were trying, like in the first time, the story only work if you're really emotionally invested into it, good for you if your that type of guy, but for a lot of people, it just doesn't work.
and like the other guy said, it's not that deep, Druckmann is known for doing stuff like that with no real meaning, that's why more than half of the team quitted and even wanted the game to fail
28 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 19:37
>>26
Nah man, she's voiced by a straight woman, modeled after a straight woman, and even looks like a woman in the flashbacks. She even talks and behaves like a woman, and fucks a guy.

She"s just a woman on 'roids. Why in the shit would you think shes trans.
29 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 19:54
>>28
She"s just a woman on 'roids. Why in the shit would you think shes trans
well that kind of answer your own question, she got more muscle than a man
30 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 19:57
>>28
Did you not see the sex scene? That was clearly gay butt sex. You should be very familiar with what it looks like.
31 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 20:03
>>28
I've seen female body builders who look more feminine than Abby. If it's supposed to be a woman, they shouldn't have used a male model for it's character.
32 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 20:05
>>27
Hey, like I said - you are welcome to not like the game. However, many people say the story sucked just because it didn't do what they wanted.

Personally, I thought the gameplay was a bit repetitive, and I didn't like it as much as the first game.

That said, all the people saying it's some sort of abomination just because it's trying to challenge their perceptions and expectations are whining about a well-made steak dinner just because it has mashed potatoes instead of baked potatoes.
33 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 20:11
>>32
Also as a dude who is dating a voice-over actress who does video games, it makes me really fucking angry that Abby's actress got DEATH THREATS just because people didn't like a game.

People like that ruin the whole gaming industry, because the next time some brilliant game developer wants to do something different and unusual (but could be awesome), they will probably think twice because they are worried about some nutjob murdering their family.
34 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 20:13
>>1
You care way too much about a "hobby" you should have outgrown in high school.
35 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 20:18
>>33
what did you expect? people get death threat for anything now
even me a random guy on the internet got death threat and public accusation of being a rapist by a lgbt group, just because i didn't want to date one of them
36 Name: SuperFratBoyExtreme 2020-07-17 20:31
Waaaahhhh. They threw some new shit into a fictional world and because of my dopey politics, it ruined my whole summer.
37 Name: Anonymous 2020-07-17 22:34
Abby was designed as a bait-and-switch. They, in essence, took a man's body shape and put a female head on it to bait out anti-trans bigotry from low-hanging internet fruit and in so doing they could gain bonus points with the woke crowd and cause them to impulse buy the game in an effort to stick it to transphobes. The fact Abby wasn't actually going to be trans led to the creation of Lev to buffer any woke criticism of the game stemming from the fact that Abby's appearance could be considered "queer-baiting" by not actually being queer to a degree.

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